New coronavirus in/from China

boisdevie · Post by **boisdevie** » 12 May 2020, 15:28

kenneal - lagger wrote: The government has given local authorities the money to organise food deliveries and West Berkshire Council at least is doing it very well.

Good to know we'll never run out of money or that insane levels of money printing come with absolutely no adverse consequences.

Little John · Post by **Little John** » 12 May 2020, 17:14

Catweazle wrote:We're focusing on the headline "death" figures again. There are other serious, lasting effects, and probably some we don't know about yet.

A side note, do you know the age of the average UK farmer ? It's 59 yrs, and only 3% of UK farmers are under 35yrs old.

Average age of UK engineer ? 54yrs, and only 6% of students are studying an engineering subject.

So let's not write off the older people just yet.

Nobody is "writing older people off". don't be silly.

Post by **kenneal - lagger** » 12 May 2020, 19:39

Little John wrote:
Catweazle wrote:We're focusing on the headline "death" figures again. There are other serious, lasting effects, and probably some we don't know about yet.

A side note, do you know the age of the average UK farmer ? It's 59 yrs, and only 3% of UK farmers are under 35yrs old.

Average age of UK engineer ? 54yrs, and only 6% of students are studying an engineering subject.

So let's not write off the older people just yet.
Nobody is "writing older people off". don't be silly.

That's good to know because the young people of this country are going to need someone to grow their food for them and keep the lights on and the trains running in the future according to those stats.

Post by **clv101** » 12 May 2020, 20:14

Initiation wrote:I saw this list. I'm pro a quick rollback of the lockdown but, honestly, are people being deliberately thick? Do they need a list of prescribed instructions for their normal daily living? Just a few random responses.

The government are calling on us to use 'common sense'. There's a problem with that:

From a political comms perspective, a "Common Sense" centric Covid strategy is masterful because it comes pre-baked with everything you could want.

First, anyone pushing back on it can immediately be dismissed as either scornful of or condescending to "regular people".

Second, it positions you as the side of freedom, liberty and personal responsibility when compared to the nanny statism of one's critics.

Even voters in heavily regulated countries which approve of each individual regulation tend to oppose the CONCEPT of a nanny state.

Third, it preemptively shifts blame for any negative outcomes onto a failure by a sub-group to exercise basic judgement.

The government thus goes from a leader whose decisions had negative impacts to a disappointed parent who provided autonomy and frankly expected better.

Fourth, it's a shield against complexity and difficult choices.

"Who should go back to work?"
"How do employers balance profitability and safety?"

Detailed answers require difficult tradeoffs and judgement calls.

Fifth, it's never entirely wrong.

Whatever happens, there's always going to be a role for common sense.

Coping with Covid requires a hundred judgement calls a day by everyone in the country and the government can't possibly (and shouldn't) issue guidance for all of them.

https://mobile.twitter.com/DmitryOpines ... 3384954880

stumuz1 · Post by **stumuz1** » 13 May 2020, 08:49

clv101 wrote:
The government are calling on us to use 'common sense'. There's a problem with that:

There's no problem with that.

My brother has spent the last five days in quarantine since having his covid test (negative)

He will then get a certified covid free car and driver (driver stays in quarantine, car sanitised) to go to Heathrow, where he is on a covid free plane to New York ( all passengers having gone through the same thing).

On the phone to him last night, I asked what precautions he was taking.

I got all the PPE I need, he said.

Also, just assume everyone has covid-19 and everything you touch has covid-19.

Just common sense, he said.

Little John · Post by **Little John** » 13 May 2020, 12:44

this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgNzr2m ... ture=share

fuzzy · Post by **fuzzy** » 13 May 2020, 13:37

LJ that is unwatchable to the end. Did he make a point?

The lockdown will end in farce, sure as eggs.

I fear that the gov knows the sting in the tail. Probably direct from the bat lady. Govs wouldn't be going to this song and dance unless the jig is up.

I suspect few people make antibodies and they don't last. I did read somewhere yesterday that patient zero in Belgium has now lost his antibodies 3 months later. If we keep getting some sort of re-infection and it does damage each time, that is when we see the droppers.

Little John · Post by **Little John** » 13 May 2020, 14:06

fuzzy wrote:LJ that is unwatchable to the end. Did he make a point?

The lockdown will end in farce, sure as eggs.

I fear that the gov knows the sting in the tail. Probably direct from the bat lady. Govs wouldn't be going to this song and dance unless the jig is up.

I suspect few people make antibodies and they don't last. I did read somewhere yesterday that patient zero in Belgium has now lost his antibodies 3 months later. If we keep getting some sort of re-infection and it does damage each time, that is when we see the droppers.

On what do you base your suspicion?

Post by **clv101** » 13 May 2020, 14:13

Mexico City is an example of no real lockdown or social distancing.

https://news.sky.com/story/mexico-city- ... s-11987235

I think there's a risk, in countries that have had a reasonable degree of lockdown, that folk just don't realise what an uncontained outbreak looks like.

boisdevie · Post by **boisdevie** » 13 May 2020, 14:17

Meanwhile the Bank of England predicts a 25% drop in GDP for the 2nd quarter. That makes the Great Depression look like a lovely old time by comparison. Does everyone still think the lockdown was such a great idea when most healthy people aren't dying or needing the NHS?

https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... y-covid-19

Snail · Post by **Snail** » 13 May 2020, 14:20

clv101 wrote:Mexico City is an example of no real lockdown or social distancing.

https://news.sky.com/story/mexico-city- ... s-11987235

I think there's a risk, in countries that have had a reasonable degree of lockdown, that folk just don't realise what an uncontained outbreak looks like.

Official death toll is circa 1000. 5 times that maybe 5000 people dead in a city of 30million. Even ten times isn't staggering.

Watched lj video. Sweden paints a different picture as does the rest of the world. If I didn't make the mistake? and move in with my parents because of this id be extremely ambivalent about this virus.

fuzzy · Post by **fuzzy** » 13 May 2020, 14:21

Little John wrote:
fuzzy wrote:LJ that is unwatchable to the end. Did he make a point?

The lockdown will end in farce, sure as eggs.

I fear that the gov knows the sting in the tail. Probably direct from the bat lady. Govs wouldn't be going to this song and dance unless the jig is up.

I suspect few people make antibodies and they don't last. I did read somewhere yesterday that patient zero in Belgium has now lost his antibodies 3 months later. If we keep getting some sort of re-infection and it does damage each time, that is when we see the droppers.
On what do you base your suspicion?

It was stated back in January from Taiwan doctors. It also fits the worldwide hysteria for a highly infectious, low mortality illness.

Snail · Post by **Snail** » 13 May 2020, 14:30

boisdevie wrote:Meanwhile the Bank of England predicts a 25% drop in GDP for the 2nd quarter. That makes the Great Depression look like a lovely old time by comparison. Does everyone still think the lockdown was such a great idea when most healthy people aren't dying or needing the NHS?

https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... y-covid-19

I'll put my hand up and admit I got caught up with the emotional doom-graphs. Despite being initially skeptical, fear got to me.

Little John · Post by **Little John** » 13 May 2020, 14:40

fuzzy wrote:
Little John wrote:
fuzzy wrote:LJ that is unwatchable to the end. Did he make a point?

The lockdown will end in farce, sure as eggs.

I fear that the gov knows the sting in the tail. Probably direct from the bat lady. Govs wouldn't be going to this song and dance unless the jig is up.

I suspect few people make antibodies and they don't last. I did read somewhere yesterday that patient zero in Belgium has now lost his antibodies 3 months later. If we keep getting some sort of re-infection and it does damage each time, that is when we see the droppers.
On what do you base your suspicion?
It was stated back in January from Taiwan doctors. It also fits the worldwide hysteria for a highly infectious, low mortality illness.

That's the point. High mutation goes with low lethality overall and vice versa.

We are all being played like fiddles

Little John · Post by **Little John** » 13 May 2020, 14:41

Snail wrote:
boisdevie wrote:Meanwhile the Bank of England predicts a 25% drop in GDP for the 2nd quarter. That makes the Great Depression look like a lovely old time by comparison. Does everyone still think the lockdown was such a great idea when most healthy people aren't dying or needing the NHS?

https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... y-covid-19
I'll put my hand up and admit I got caught up with the emotional doom-graphs. Despite being initially skeptical, fear got to me.

Don't give yourself a hard time. They got me as well for a week or two.