New coronavirus in/from China

[UndercoverElephant]

'Without a coronavirus vaccine, we will never be able to live normally again. The only real exit strategy from this crisis is a vaccine that can be rolled out worldwide. That means producing billions of doses of it, which, in itself, is a huge challenge in terms of manufacturing logistics. And despite the efforts, it is still not even certain that developing a COVID-19 vaccine is possible.'

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/05 ... pvEgG8JsE0#

Looking more and more like we're just going to have to suck it up. And I managed to say that without insulting anyone yeah

If it turns out we can't produce a vaccine (which is entirely possible) then the long-term implications are severe. The same is true if immunity after infection isn't long-term. A lot of people will never go back to living their lives like before unless there is a vaccine.

[boisdevie]

If it turns out we can't produce a vaccine (which is entirely possible) then the long-term implications are severe.

Why severe? - this virus isn't killing healthy people. Less than 400 people under 45 have died and many of them were unhealthy.

[Little John]

'Without a coronavirus vaccine, we will never be able to live normally again. The only real exit strategy from this crisis is a vaccine that can be rolled out worldwide. That means producing billions of doses of it, which, in itself, is a huge challenge in terms of manufacturing logistics. And despite the efforts, it is still not even certain that developing a COVID-19 vaccine is possible.'

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/05 ... pvEgG8JsE0#

Looking more and more like we're just going to have to suck it up. And I managed to say that without insulting anyone yeah

If it turns out we can't produce a vaccine (which is entirely possible) then the long-term implications are severe. The same is true if immunity after infection isn't long-term. A lot of people will never go back to living their lives like before unless there is a vaccine.

Ok. so why will a "lot of people will never go back to living their lives like before unless there is a vaccine"?

[clv101]

Not been a good 24 hrs for the government: https://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2020/0 ... part-at-th

Unholy shambles: Johnson's covid response falling apart at the edges

This is a government which simply does not know what it is doing. There is not even a trace-element of competence on display. After a week of planning, it is beyond comprehension that they should fail to decide on what day these measures are supposed to apply, let alone be unable to describe what they are.

[clv101]

Long term the virus will become one of those diseases like chickenpox that you catch as a child to avoid catching it at an adult, when it could do you a lot more damage

Yep, unless immunity only lasts a few years. Like SARS?

[UndercoverElephant]

If it turns out we can't produce a vaccine (which is entirely possible) then the long-term implications are severe.

Why severe? - this virus isn't killing healthy people. Less than 400 people under 45 have died and many of them were unhealthy.

And some of them weren't. This virus is sufficiently dangerous that it will permanently change many people's behaviour so long as it remains a threat. Those behaviour changes will have severe ongoing economic implications. It is enough to put many businesses into bankruptcy.

[UndercoverElephant]

'Without a coronavirus vaccine, we will never be able to live normally again. The only real exit strategy from this crisis is a vaccine that can be rolled out worldwide. That means producing billions of doses of it, which, in itself, is a huge challenge in terms of manufacturing logistics. And despite the efforts, it is still not even certain that developing a COVID-19 vaccine is possible.'

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/05 ... pvEgG8JsE0#

Looking more and more like we're just going to have to suck it up. And I managed to say that without insulting anyone yeah

If it turns out we can't produce a vaccine (which is entirely possible) then the long-term implications are severe. The same is true if immunity after infection isn't long-term. A lot of people will never go back to living their lives like before unless there is a vaccine.

Ok. so why will a "lot of people will never go back to living their lives like before unless there is a vaccine"?

Because they are would rather change their behaviour than simply accept that catching the virus is inevitable. For example, there is no way I am going into a cinema again until this virus is no longer a threat to me. It is a risk I simply do not need to take. I'll not be eating food prepared outside my own kitchen, either.

[Little John]

If it turns out we can't produce a vaccine (which is entirely possible) then the long-term implications are severe. The same is true if immunity after infection isn't long-term. A lot of people will never go back to living their lives like before unless there is a vaccine.

Ok. so why will a "lot of people will never go back to living their lives like before unless there is a vaccine"?

Because they are would rather change their behaviour than simply accept that catching the virus is inevitable. For example, there is no way I am going into a cinema again until this virus is no longer a threat to me. It is a risk I simply do not need to take. I'll not be eating food prepared outside my own kitchen, either.

Do you have comorbidities?

[UndercoverElephant]

Not been a good 24 hrs for the government: https://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2020/0 ... part-at-th

Unholy shambles: Johnson's covid response falling apart at the edges

This is a government which simply does not know what it is doing. There is not even a trace-element of competence on display. After a week of planning, it is beyond comprehension that they should fail to decide on what day these measures are supposed to apply, let alone be unable to describe what they are.

It's falling apart in the middle too. Johnson does not appear to what his strategy is, and his cabinet is seriously split about what to do. The result is incomprehensible.

Not my content:

4 year olds can go to school but university students who have paid for their tuition and the accommodation that they aren’t living in, can’t go back to university.

I can go to school with many 4 year olds that I’m not related to but can’t see one 4 year old that I am related to.

I can sit in a park, but not tomorrow or Tuesday but by Wednesday that’ll be fine.

I can meet one person from another household for a chat or to sunbathe but not two people so if I know two people from another household I have to pick my favourite. Hopefully, I’m also their favourite person from my household or this could be awkward. But possibly I’m not. In fact, thinking about it, I definitely wouldn’t be. But as I can’t go closer than 2m to the one I choose anyway so you wouldn’t think having the other one sat next to them would matter - unless two people would restrict my eyeline too much and prevent me from being alert.

I can work all day with my colleagues but I can’t sit in their garden for a chat after work.

I can now do unlimited exercise when quite frankly just doing an hour a day felt like I was some kind of fitness guru. I can think of lots of things that I would like to be unlimited but exercise definitely isn’t one of them.

I can drive to other destinations although which destinations is unclear. I was supposed to be in Brighton this weekend. Can I drive there? It’s hundreds of miles away but no one has said that’s wrong.

The buses are still running past my house but I shouldn’t get on one. We should just let empty buses drive around so bus drivers aren’t doing nothing.

It will soon be time to quarantine people coming into the country by air... but not yet. It’s too soon. And not ever if you’re coming from France because... well, I don’t do know why, actually. Because the French version of coronavirus wouldn’t come to the UK maybe.

Our youngest children go back to school first because... they are notoriously good at not touching things they shouldn’t, maintain personal space at all times and never randomly lick you.

We are somewhere in between 3.5 and 4.5 on a five point scale where 5 is all of the virus and 1 is none of the virus but 2,3 and 4 can be anything you’d like it to be really. Some of the virus? A bit of the virus? Just enough virus to see off those over 70s who were told to self isolate but now we’ve realised that they’ve done that a bit too well despite us offloading coronavirus patients into care homes and now we are claiming that was never said in the first place, even though it’s in writing in the stay at home guidance.

The slogan isn’t stay at home any more.So we don’t have to say at home. Except we do. Unless we can’t. In which case we should go out. But there will be fines if we break the rules. So don’t do that.

Don’t forget...

Stay alert... which Robert Jenrick has explained actually means Stay home as much as possible. Obviously.

Control the virus. Well, I can’t even control my dogs and I can actually see them. Plus I know a bit about dogs and very little about controlling viruses.

Save lives. Always preferable to not saving lives, I’d say, so I’ll try my best with that one, although hopefully I don’t need telling to do that. I know I’m bragging now but not NOT saving lives is something I do every day.

So there you are. If you’re the weirdo wanting unlimited exercise then enjoy. But not until Wednesday. Obviously.

[UndercoverElephant]

Ok. so why will a "lot of people will never go back to living their lives like before unless there is a vaccine"?

Because they are would rather change their behaviour than simply accept that catching the virus is inevitable. For example, there is no way I am going into a cinema again until this virus is no longer a threat to me. It is a risk I simply do not need to take. I'll not be eating food prepared outside my own kitchen, either.

Do you have comorbidities?

Not officially diagnosed, but yes I believe I have this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcoholic_lung_disease

I quit smoking several years ago, but did not quit drinking. Over that time, I have become increasingly susceptible to lung infections, including pneumonia. I take liposomal glutathione to reduce the risk.

[Little John]

Because they are would rather change their behaviour than simply accept that catching the virus is inevitable. For example, there is no way I am going into a cinema again until this virus is no longer a threat to me. It is a risk I simply do not need to take. I'll not be eating food prepared outside my own kitchen, either.

Do you have comorbidities?

Not officially diagnosed, but yes I believe I have this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcoholic_lung_disease

I quit smoking several years ago, but did not quit drinking. Over that time, I have become increasingly susceptible to lung infections, including pneumonia. I take liposomal glutathione to reduce the risk.

So how many people of your age and below do you think have comorbidities?

[Little John]

Do you know UE?

[vtsnowedin]

If it turns out we can't produce a vaccine (which is entirely possible) then the long-term implications are severe.

Why severe? - this virus isn't killing healthy people. Less than 400 people under 45 have died and many of them were unhealthy.

And some of them weren't. This virus is sufficiently dangerous that it will permanently change many people's behaviour so long as it remains a threat. Those behaviour changes will have severe ongoing economic implications. It is enough to put many businesses into bankruptcy.

I doubt that.
For the young and healthy the risks is about equal to getting run over in a cross walk. It might give them a bad nightmare or two but not be worth changing any daily activity.

[UndercoverElephant]

Do you have comorbidities?

Not officially diagnosed, but yes I believe I have this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcoholic_lung_disease

I quit smoking several years ago, but did not quit drinking. Over that time, I have become increasingly susceptible to lung infections, including pneumonia. I take liposomal glutathione to reduce the risk.

So how many people of your age and below do you think have comorbidities?

The question is how many of them are frightened enough of the virus to, say, stay away from cinemas and restaurants. And the answer is more than enough to totally screw the economy.

[vtsnowedin]

The question is how many of them are frightened enough of the virus to, say, stay away from cinemas and restaurants. And the answer is more than enough to totally screw the economy.

I think you are greatly overestimating the percentage of the economy is cinemas and restaurants.
Also this weeks experience in Colorado and elsewhere shows that the restaurant patrons are not a timid lot.