New coronavirus in/from China

Post by **kenneal - lagger** » 10 May 2020, 19:41

I am not a "rich farmer", fuzzy. I have a smallholding and as many others in my position am asset rich and cash poor. I have two daughters who live nearby with their families so I am perfectly aware of what young people are going through; one daughter and her family live on the smallholding with us so we see on a daily basis what they are experiencing.

I wouldn't describe young people anywhere as a scroat, although you seem to think that is OK. I was merely saying that young people should get their information direct from source rather than from social media. Also, from news reports, it would seem that the "confused" ones seem to be from cities and London in particular.

Post by **kenneal - lagger** » 10 May 2020, 19:58

Mean Mr Mustard II wrote:I see from looking back at Page 392, and the change of thumbnail icon thingy, that Vortex2 has left.

Perhaps he has just gone away for the weekend and been arrested in Wales for breaking the rules.

vtsnowedin · Post by **vtsnowedin** » 10 May 2020, 21:02

Mean Mr Mustard II wrote:I see from looking back at Page 392, and the change of thumbnail icon thingy, that Vortex2 has left.

I was trying to give him a bit of constructive criticism. I did not realize his skin was that thin. Perhaps he will lurk back from time to time and eventually decide to rejoin the debate.
We do not have enough active members to drive off anyone that is not a complete troll and he certainly is not that.

Post by **clv101** » 10 May 2020, 21:16

kenneal - lagger wrote:The lockdown in the UK has prevented the scenes of people left untended in hospital corridors on trolleys as there were not enough beds available and left to die untended as we have seen in some other countries as their health systems and staff were overwhelmed.

There has been a bit of that here, behind closed doors, in the nursing homes rather than in plain sight.

fuzzy · Post by **fuzzy** » 10 May 2020, 21:18

kenneal - lagger wrote:I am not a "rich farmer", fuzzy. I have a smallholding and as many others in my position am asset rich and cash poor. I have two daughters who live nearby with their families so I am perfectly aware of what young people are going through; one daughter and her family live on the smallholding with us so we see on a daily basis what they are experiencing.

I wouldn't describe young people anywhere as a scroat, although you seem to think that is OK. I was merely saying that young people should get their information direct from source rather than from social media. Also, from news reports, it would seem that the "confused" ones seem to be from cities and London in particular.

Apologies Ken, I was not at my most focused.

I am not a great believer of the 'stay at home' message. It may have done some good, but compared to less travel, it was small beer.

Post by **clv101** » 10 May 2020, 22:21

One point from today's guidance: Quarantine for airport arrivals 'soon'

Ignoring for a moment that this should have happened 3 months ago, what's the idea here? Are airport arrivals any more or less likely to be covid positive than the general population? Arrivals from many (most?) countries probably have a lower chance of having the virus than people already here.

And why not 'now' ?

eatyourveg · Post by **eatyourveg** » 10 May 2020, 22:30

clv101 wrote:One point from today's guidance: Quarantine for airport arrivals 'soon'

Ignoring for a moment that this should have happened 3 months ago, what's the idea here? Are airport arrivals any more or less likely to be covid positive than the general population? Arrivals from many (most?) countries probably have a lower chance of having the virus than people already here.

And why not 'now' ?

If we are to judge by actions rather than words, this is not hard to work out. Take away every single utterance from HMG and look at what has happened, it is nothing less than incompetence on a simply staggering scale. There is no great intelligence behind any of it, and this particular instance is just one item on a long list.

Little John · Post by **Little John** » 10 May 2020, 22:37

eatyourveg wrote:
clv101 wrote:One point from today's guidance: Quarantine for airport arrivals 'soon'

Ignoring for a moment that this should have happened 3 months ago, what's the idea here? Are airport arrivals any more or less likely to be covid positive than the general population? Arrivals from many (most?) countries probably have a lower chance of having the virus than people already here.

And why not 'now' ?
If we are to judge by actions rather than words, this is not hard to work out. Take away every single utterance from HMG and look at what has happened, it is nothing less than incompetence on a simply staggering scale. There is no great intelligence behind any of it, and this particular instance is just one item on a long list.

It is either incompetence on a staggering scale

Or it is all an excuse to bring in surveillance and suppression policies on the back of a convenient crisis

Or it is something else

But, what it is not, any of it, is intelligent policy "guided by the science"

Post by **clv101** » 10 May 2020, 22:41

Our headline, theme of the week, Stay Alert. To what!? A virus you can't see or smell, is infectious for days before any symptoms, can linger on surfaces (unseen) for hours/days... What are we meant to be alert to?

This is no alternative a robust process of testing, tracing and isolation.

Little John · Post by **Little John** » 10 May 2020, 22:47

clv101 wrote:Our headline, theme of the week, Stay Alert. To what!? A virus you can't see or smell, is infectious for days before any symptoms, can linger on surfaces (unseen) for hours/days... What are we meant to be alert to?

This is no alternative a robust process of testing, tracing and isolation.

"No alternative"? Hang on a minute. What, precisely, is the point of "testing, tracing and isolation" if (a) 80% are not going to get his illness to any degree that requires medical intervention and (b) the only exit from this is when that 80% have had the disease and have sufficient immunity as a consequence that any future outbreak of any subsequent strain is unlikely to be any more dangerous than ordinary flu? In other words, testing and tracing will not drive this disease to extinction. Unless, that is, such "testing, tracing and isolation" policies are implemented in perpetuity. All in order to "protect us" of course. (Edited KN-L)

UndercoverElephant · Post by **UndercoverElephant** » 10 May 2020, 22:58

Only 20 secs:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mtiqf2q ... utu.be%3Fq

eatyourveg · Post by **eatyourveg** » 10 May 2020, 23:02

...............

You know, looking at this and thinking - why? It doesn't further the argument being made, it's just a flat out insult. This is not acceptable behaviour in any civilised environment, and yet it keeps on coming.

Edited KN-L

Little John · Post by **Little John** » 10 May 2020, 23:07

UndercoverElephant wrote:Only 20 secs:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mtiqf2q ... utu.be%3Fq

yep, he has absolutely nailed it

Little John · Post by **Little John** » 10 May 2020, 23:33

eatyourveg wrote:
In which case, are you taking the f***ing piss?
you know, looking at this and thinking - why? It doesn't further the argument being made, it's just a flat out insult. This is not acceptable behaviour in any civilised environment, and yet it keeps on coming.

This government, as incompetent as it is, is trying to implement a police state. Well, they can go and F--k themselves is what they can do. And I have similarly little time for any suggestions from any quarter that furthers any similar agenda.

How ironic, when push has come to shove, it always turns out to be the so called liberals of this bloody world who seem more than happy for our democratic rights to be handed over to faceless foreign bureaucrats and for even our more fundamental liberties of freedom of movement and of assembly to be snuffed out.

vtsnowedin · Post by **vtsnowedin** » 11 May 2020, 08:12

A study not yet peer reviewed on the economic cost.

https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/loc ... tudy-finds

Specifically, the researchers tabulated that as many as 75k additional "deaths of despair" could be caused by the outbreak and the economy-crushing measures implemented to stop the spreads. "Deaths of despair" typically refer to suicides and substance-abuse-related deaths, according to Bloomberg.