New coronavirus in/from China

vtsnowedin · Post by **vtsnowedin** » 09 May 2020, 08:33

Mean Mr Mustard II wrote:
I get annoyed by spelling and grammar Nazis and those that think their point of view is the only valid one to exclude any and all descent.
Achtung! I think you meant 'dissent'?

Yahvol Heir Comandant!

vtsnowedin · Post by **vtsnowedin** » 09 May 2020, 08:41

clv101 wrote:Stretching out the process is no bad thing either - it avoids overwhelming the health system and increases the likelihood of developing effective treatments and vaccine.

In fact it is a very bad thing that is destroying more peoples lives then the disease ever will.

fuzzy · Post by **fuzzy** » 09 May 2020, 10:02

Interesting case study - Mr Ebola got batflu:

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/05 ... h-covid-19

stumuz1 · Post by **stumuz1** » 09 May 2020, 10:03

Some local figures for my neck of the woods.

Anglesey has a population of approx. 70k, The largest town is Holyhead, population approx. 14k.
According to the local health board total recorded covid-19 infections are 110 which relates to a rate 157. 2 per 100k as of 8 May.

There have been no deaths.

The R rate for wales is between 0.7-0.8 ,but that includes the hotspots of industrial South Wales, I should imagine it is quite a bit lower for Anglesey.

The original quite brutal reaction of some locals is chasing away second home/airbnb/caravan visitors some weeks ago, has, i grudgingly admit, help stop the spread.

Two upmarket restaurants have gone into administration, no loss to the locals, some of the customers used to arrive by helicopter from the Cheshire set.

Catweazle · Post by **Catweazle** » 09 May 2020, 10:26

stumuz1 wrote:Two upmarket restaurants have gone into administration, no loss to the locals, some of the customers used to arrive by helicopter from the Cheshire set.

Bringing their money with them, which paid local wages and suppliers. The closest town to me is Cardigan, it relies heavily on tourist money which hasn't appeared. I read a survey which claimed that one in five high street retail shops do not plan to re-open, I fear towns like Cardigan could be even worse, and Cardigan is definitely one of the more successful towns in west Wales - many towns were struggling to keep a post office open before Covid19.

The other side of the coin is the realisation that remote working is possible. Perhaps more people will trade in their terraced shoebox houses in London and head out west for a better life.

Post by **clv101** » 09 May 2020, 10:27

vtsnowedin wrote:
clv101 wrote:Stretching out the process is no bad thing either - it avoids overwhelming the health system and increases the likelihood of developing effective treatments and vaccine.
In fact it is a very bad thing that is destroying more peoples lives then the disease ever will.

No, the point is to first get community spread under control via high quality lockdown (as some countries now have), then the test/trace/isolate can have a low impact, allowing society and the economy to operate close to normal.

boisdevie · Post by **boisdevie** » 09 May 2020, 10:57

vtsnowedin wrote:
Mean Mr Mustard II wrote:
I get annoyed by spelling and grammar Nazis and those that think their point of view is the only valid one to exclude any and all descent.
Achtung! I think you meant 'dissent'?
Yahvol Heir Comandant!

Surely you mean "jawohl mein kommandant"?

vtsnowedin · Post by **vtsnowedin** » 09 May 2020, 12:25

boisdevie wrote:
vtsnowedin wrote:
Mean Mr Mustard II wrote: Achtung! I think you meant 'dissent'?
Yahvol Heir Comandant!
Surely you mean "jawohl mein kommandant"?

Yes my German spelling is even worse then my English skills if that is possible.

Little John · Post by **Little John** » 09 May 2020, 12:29

clv101 wrote:
Little John wrote:All that any of these measures is doing is stretching out the process to the same destination. But, at massive social, political and economic cost with all of the attendant health costs they imply.
A decent test/trace/isolate process need not have massive social, political and economic cost. Stretching out the process is no bad thing either - it avoids overwhelming the health system and increases the likelihood of developing effective treatments and vaccine.

"No bad thing" for "whom"?

No need to answer. I and millions of others already know the answer. We knew the answer in 2016.

vtsnowedin · Post by **vtsnowedin** » 09 May 2020, 12:35

clv101 wrote:
vtsnowedin wrote:
clv101 wrote:Stretching out the process is no bad thing either - it avoids overwhelming the health system and increases the likelihood of developing effective treatments and vaccine.
In fact it is a very bad thing that is destroying more peoples lives then the disease ever will.
No, the point is to first get community spread under control via high quality lockdown (as some countries now have), then the test/trace/isolate can have a low impact, allowing society and the economy to operate close to normal.

Regardless of what the point or goal is the reality lies in the unemployment figures and bankruptcy filings.
One hospital here estimates it will lose $130 million this quarter. I take that as a proxy measure of how much ordinary healthcare has been denied or postponed during the period.

Mark · Post by **Mark** » 09 May 2020, 15:07

vtsnowedin wrote:One hospital here estimates it will lose $130 million this quarter. I take that as a proxy measure of how much ordinary healthcare has been denied or postponed during the period.

See that Trump is still trying to kill off Obamacare....
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/0 ... are-240366

Trump's already pulled out of the WHO during this pandemic & now he's trying to undermine the health care safety net...
The richest country in the world, and this is the health system provided for the poor ?

Basic health provision should not be considered a 'business issue'
Thank goodness for taxes and the NHS.

Mean Mr Mustard II · Post by **Mean Mr Mustard II** » 09 May 2020, 17:19

vtsnowedin wrote: One hospital here estimates it will lose $130 million this quarter. I take that as a proxy measure of how much ordinary healthcare has been denied or postponed during the period.

That'll be about 500 patients with routine issues, not bankrupted quite so soon?

vtsnowedin · Post by **vtsnowedin** » 09 May 2020, 17:59

Mean Mr Mustard II wrote:
vtsnowedin wrote: One hospital here estimates it will lose $130 million this quarter. I take that as a proxy measure of how much ordinary healthcare has been denied or postponed during the period.
That'll be about 500 patients with routine issues, not bankrupted quite so soon?

A lot more then 500 as that hospital serves about 300,000 people in the region. Most of the bill would have been covered by insurance. The premiums on that insurance have not been refunded or reduced. Having the best insurance in the world is worthless if the doors to the hospital and your doctors office are closed. One specialist I know says his personnel office is losing him $100,000 a week. That is a lot of money but as he once told me it is not a lot of pace makers.

Lord Beria3 · Post by **Lord Beria3** » 09 May 2020, 21:13

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2020/0 ... s-m09.html

When all factors are taken into account, something in the area of one third of the work force is out of work.

vtsnowedin · Post by **vtsnowedin** » 09 May 2020, 22:43

Lord Beria3 wrote:https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2020/0 ... s-m09.html

When all factors are taken into account, something in the area of one third of the work force is out of work.

If anything I think that estimate is low. Health care was twenty percent of the economy and except for Covid-19 actions is mostly shut down. Travel industry ninety percent off , entertainment and hospitality from bars to theaters to casinos totally shut down, and the hotel rooms that serve them.
Whats left? the garbage truck drivers, the guys down at the water department, the cops giving tickets for not wearing masks?