boisdevie wrote:I wonder if LJ has also said anything nasty such as "The ones 'getting on with life' will be killing others." Remember saying that? Accusing someone of being rude is one thing but accusing people of being responsible for 'killing others' is quite something don't you think?Vortex2 wrote: The giveaway for me was when LJ refused to show interest in the measures/situations in foreign countries.
Sign of a closed mind full of opinions but with no real interest in looking at data etc.
He is also insufferably rude - not a pleasant character trait.
New coronavirus in/from China
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I'm watching this with considerable interest. I fly (used too!) six or seven times a year.Mark wrote:Passengers and staff at Manchester Airport will have to wear gloves and masks - and bosses are trialling temperature scanners - as stricter measures are brought in:
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk ... e-18191161
The airport/airline duopoly relies on the cattle market business model which i hate. It really is the worst part of the trip/holiday being at the airport and on the plane.
Easyjet which owes me quite the wedge for cancelled flights have always refused my request to buy the middle seat at a premium, to make the journey more pleasant.
Now Ryan scumbag air have said if they are forced to keep the middle seat empty they are going to close the airline (yippee).
But the infrastructure of the airports, the planes, and reduced demand will still be there.
Will the future be fewer more comfortable and human flights? I hope so.
But I am quite enjoying hearing scumbags (mike O'leary) bleat about not having a bailout, Billionaires plead poverty and ask the taxpayer (who mainly don't fly) for a half billion loan and offer his private tax dodging island as collateral.
Apparently, this last week has seen the deaths of three MPs in Tanzania, each "after a short illness".clv101 wrote:They are also junk.Snail wrote:In the worldometer list of countries, from India downwards the numbers are TINY.
I have a friend in Tanzania, says the official data is wrong, been stuck at 16 deaths for days. But lots of credible stories circulating of overwhelmed hospitals and bodies being collected on the street.
On Italy relaxing its lockdown ...
The Grauniad: “We risk a new wave of infections and outbreaks if we’re not careful,� said Tullio Prestileo, an infectious diseases specialist at Palermo’s Benefratelli Hospital. “If we don’t realise this, we could easily find ourselves back where we started. In that case, we may not have the strength to get back up again.�
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Of course not all are in Nursing homes. My own state has 52 deaths with 10 between the ages of 60 and 69, 17 between 70 -79 and 21 over the age of 80. Of course the 60-69 cohort is a much larger group then the 80+ers so there percentage is even lower then the raw number indicates.Vortex2 wrote:This bug is killing lots of highly experienced people in their 60s.
Not all the casualties are unwanted grandparents stuffed into care homes.
Nursing home or not it is not good to be a 70 year old overweight smoker with diabetes.
All lives do indeed matter. Which is why:Vortex2 wrote:boisdevie wrote:I wonder if LJ has also said anything nasty such as "The ones 'getting on with life' will be killing others." Remember saying that? Accusing someone of being rude is one thing but accusing people of being responsible for 'killing others' is quite something don't you think?Vortex2 wrote: The giveaway for me was when LJ refused to show interest in the measures/situations in foreign countries.
Sign of a closed mind full of opinions but with no real interest in looking at data etc.
He is also insufferably rude - not a pleasant character trait.
(a) The elderly and those with comorbities should be offered quarantine with full financial support to allow them to do so.
(b) Everyone else, fit enough to have only a minuscule chance of dying of this strain of Covid 19 should be facilitated to go out to work, get infected and, in doing so, provide themselves with partial immunity to any other (potentially much more deadly to them in the absence of said partial immunity) strain and also provide the necessary herd immunity that will protect the elderly and those with comorbidities from, at the very least, this first strain. Not to mention, of course, the little issue of them keeping the economy alive so that the generation too young to be in the workforce or, even, be as yet born, will not have their lives blighted and shortened in a way only too well known and understood.
As ever, this bullshit is now starting to divide the bourgeoisie and petite bourgeois from everyone else and, I also note, the use of a very similar pathetic, disgusting tactic of passive-aggressively impugning the morality of those who do not toe the line of the dominant narrative as happened with Brexit is now being employed both here and elsewhere.
Same tune, different lyrics. Same shit different day.
How very predictable.
I see you and those like you. And I am rapidly being joined by a growing number of others.
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Well, our mid to late 70's neighbours (both sides) are going out and about for walks and shopping. They are relatively fit and of sound mind. They are not wearing masks. Good for them I say. They have assessed the risk and I imagine have decided that if their time has come, then so be it. They do not want to live like hamsters in a cage.
I do not like the way this country is going, what with clap if you care (with the implication that if you don't clap, you don't care) and thin end of the wedge that would be a tracing app. I will not be downloading any app unless it becomes law.
I do not like the way this country is going, what with clap if you care (with the implication that if you don't clap, you don't care) and thin end of the wedge that would be a tracing app. I will not be downloading any app unless it becomes law.
We demand that reality be altered because we don't like it [� oilslick ]
HMG data as at 3 April
Worked it out! He meant to say "... the lowest count seen ON A SUNDAY since 29th March ... but NOT including 29th March coz that was only 201 deaths"
What a weasel!
Anyway:
7-day rolling average UK hospital deaths creeping down very slowly - currently around 475 per day.
7-day rolling average new UK cases seems to be flat lining at around 4800 per day.
This data doesn't tie in with Gove's claim of the lowest deaths since 29th March (315) ... not sure what data he is using. I make the UK hospital death data 396.As of 9am on 3 May, there have been 1,206,405 tests, with 76,496 tests on 2 May.
882,343 people have been tested of which 186,599 tested positive.
As of 5pm on 2 May, of those tested positive for coronavirus in the UK, 28,446 have sadly died. This new figure includes deaths in all settings not just in hospitals. The equivalent figure under the old measure would have been 24,097.
Worked it out! He meant to say "... the lowest count seen ON A SUNDAY since 29th March ... but NOT including 29th March coz that was only 201 deaths"
What a weasel!
Anyway:
7-day rolling average UK hospital deaths creeping down very slowly - currently around 475 per day.
7-day rolling average new UK cases seems to be flat lining at around 4800 per day.
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Fine ... but it's a 2-sided deal.Well, our mid to late 70's neighbours (both sides) are going out and about for walks and shopping. They are relatively fit and of sound mind. They are not wearing masks. Good for them I say. They have assessed the risk and I imagine have decided that if their time has come, then so be it. They do not want to live like hamsters in a cage.
If they are ... or become ... infected then without masks they will spread it.
They either haven't been informed of how all this works - or they are selfish.
If you don't want to take the risk of getting this virus then socially isolate yourself and/or wear your own mask. Since most people will get this and NOT DIE why should they wear masks?Vortex2 wrote:Fine ... but it's a 2-sided deal.Well, our mid to late 70's neighbours (both sides) are going out and about for walks and shopping. They are relatively fit and of sound mind. They are not wearing masks. Good for them I say. They have assessed the risk and I imagine have decided that if their time has come, then so be it. They do not want to live like hamsters in a cage.
If they are ... or become ... infected then without masks they will spread it.
They either haven't been informed of how all this works - or they are selfish.
Masks are intended to protect OTHERS not you. They block any infected sneezes etc reaching other people.boisdevie wrote:If you don't want to take the risk of getting this virus then socially isolate yourself and/or wear your own mask. Since most people will get this and NOT DIE why should they wear masks?Vortex2 wrote:Fine ... but it's a 2-sided deal.Well, our mid to late 70's neighbours (both sides) are going out and about for walks and shopping. They are relatively fit and of sound mind. They are not wearing masks. Good for them I say. They have assessed the risk and I imagine have decided that if their time has come, then so be it. They do not want to live like hamsters in a cage.
If they are ... or become ... infected then without masks they will spread it.
They either haven't been informed of how all this works - or they are selfish.
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Most are just fabric/paper acting as filters ... they have no dedicated filter element.ReserveGrowthRulz wrote:The filter element being only uni-directional?Vortex2 wrote: Masks are intended to protect OTHERS not you. They block any infected sneezes etc reaching other people.
Some of the top level ones however have heavier fabrics and so have a one way valve to allow easy exhalation. They are intended to protect against fumes etc but threaten others as the valve lets sneezes etc out easily. Not ideal for pandemics ... the cheap ones are better for that.
A simple reply, so simple people can understand.boisdevie wrote:
If you don't want to take the risk of getting this virus then socially isolate yourself and/or wear your own mask. Since most people will get this and NOT DIE why should they wear masks?
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