What guns to buy? and related posts.

ReserveGrowthRulz · Post by **ReserveGrowthRulz** » 28 Apr 2020, 15:24

Vortex2 wrote: .. and this is the guy who made a career of mocking the over cautious wackos .. or as we call them nowadays the well prepared.

I mocked the geologically and oil ignorant.

ReserveGrowthRulz · Post by **ReserveGrowthRulz** » 28 Apr 2020, 15:32

Vortex2 wrote:
I've done some 4 parking lot deals now
In the UK only terrorists and gangsters trade ordnance in parking lots!

Indeed.

Post by **kenneal - lagger** » 28 Apr 2020, 15:50

Indeed. Your gun armaments manufacturers appreciate your acceptance of their programming of how you should think and act. They are making an absolute fortune from your fears and conspiracy theories.

ReserveGrowthRulz · Post by **ReserveGrowthRulz** » 28 Apr 2020, 17:10

kenneal - lagger wrote:Indeed. Your gun armaments manufacturers appreciate your acceptance of their programming of how you should think and act.

An interesting thought.

Post by **kenneal - lagger** » 28 Apr 2020, 18:00

That shot through the window at such a young age has obviously left a mark on your psyche in your requirement to have a gun at hand together with enough ammo to start a war. We are just pleased to live in a country where we aren't scared by gun incidents at a young age so don't feel the need to own multiple weapons to assure us of our safety. The constant propaganda from the gun lobby has obviously not been needed so much in your case but has just reinforced the message from your youth.

ReserveGrowthRulz · Post by **ReserveGrowthRulz** » 28 Apr 2020, 22:08

kenneal - lagger wrote:That shot through the window at such a young age has obviously left a mark on your psyche in your requirement to have a gun at hand together with enough ammo to start a war.

Again with the fear.

careful_eugene · Post by **careful_eugene** » 29 Apr 2020, 10:29

Alexa, what does triggered look like?

I don't have enough ammo to start a war. I just have more than a couple rounds, which triggers your fear blah blah blah

Catweazle · Post by **Catweazle** » 29 Apr 2020, 11:07

So when Covid19 got a grip on the USA, all those people lined up around the block to get into the gunshops were simply anticipating some fun days at the range whilst furloughed ?

Forgive me, from an outsiders perspective it looked as if they were scared of armed attack and preparing to defend themselves. Of course, that was before I realised what a safe place USA is. I suppose it's even safer now many more people have bought guns.

vtsnowedin · Post by **vtsnowedin** » 29 Apr 2020, 12:23

Catweazle wrote:So when Covid19 got a grip on the USA, all those people lined up around the block to get into the gunshops were simply anticipating some fun days at the range whilst furloughed ?

Forgive me, from an outsiders perspective it looked as if they were scared of armed attack and preparing to defend themselves. Of course, that was before I realised what a safe place USA is. I suppose it's even safer now many more people have bought guns.

Gun owners in America have two main concerns I do not consider them fears as that implies a timidity and cowardice that does not exist.
The first is that a liberal government will come into power and find some pretense to ignore the second amendment and begin disarming the populous al ah Great Britain , Australia or all the way to the Ghettos of Warsaw in WW2. Buying a gun now that might be the first type banned is a strategy that is not all that well thought out but people do it anyway. The one thing it does accomplish is the run on gun shops shows the politicians the depth of the resistance to gun control. The second is the concern about civil unrest leading to riots and looting. Several time in the past such riots have burned whole city blocks and killed dozens. That it has happened before during war time shows it can happen again and the Government will be unable to defend you or your property so you are on your own. Examples exist of store owners defending their store and stock while the next door business was completely looted and burned out.
As to the country being "safer" after a run on gun stores most of the buyers already had a gun or guns so there is no change there. It is the first time buyer that has no prior experience owning or using a firearm that is a concern and all gun owners (and gunshop owners) encourage first time buyers to get the basic safety training they need, which is readily available.

ReserveGrowthRulz · Post by **ReserveGrowthRulz** » 29 Apr 2020, 15:54

Catweazle wrote:So when Covid19 got a grip on the USA, all those people lined up around the block to get into the gunshops were simply anticipating some fun days at the range whilst furloughed ?

I don't have a clue what they were thinking.

Catweazle · Post by **Catweazle** » 29 Apr 2020, 22:36

ReserveGrowthRulz wrote:[ Your idea of El Salvador being safe is hysterical in light of current events.

Your link to the story about El Salvador certainly puts me off living there. 29 murders on one day is terrible, thankfully it's not like that every day.

Who knows what the average is, pretty awful I expect.

On the subject of averages though, here's a link highlighting the USA average of 44 homicides per day for 2018. Some states have more than 10 homicides per 1000 population per year.

That's higher than some estimates for the fatality rate of Covid19, and it's every year. Clearly americans need more guns to defend themselves, against, errr, americans.

https://www.reference.com/world-view/ma ... 4182d89232

"In 2018, there were 16,214 murders in the United States. That statistic breaks down to five homicides per 100,000 in population that year. If you divide the total number of murders by 365 days, the number of days in a year, you discover that the U.S. experienced 44.42 murders per day, which means about 44 people were murdered each day in the U.S.
States with the Highest Murder Rates and Totals
The states with the highest murder rates per 1,000 in population in 2018 were Louisiana with 11.4 murders per thousand, Missouri, with 9.2 murders per thousand, Alaska with 8.2 murders per thousand, Maryland, with 8.1 murders per thousand, New Mexico with 8.0 murders per thousand, Alabama, with 7.8 murders per thousand, South Carolina with 7.7 murders per thousand, and Tennessee, with 7.4 murders per thousand. Arkansas and Illinois round out the top 10 with 7.2 and 6.9 per thousand, respectively."[/url]

ReserveGrowthRulz · Post by **ReserveGrowthRulz** » 29 Apr 2020, 23:19

Catweazle wrote:
ReserveGrowthRulz wrote:[ Your idea of El Salvador being safe is hysterical in light of current events.
Your link to the story about El Salvador certainly puts me off living there. 29 murders on one day is terrible, thankfully it's not like that every day.

It isn't the number that is important, it is the solution being imposed upon the citizens.

Post by **kenneal - lagger** » 29 Apr 2020, 23:22

Catweazle wrote:,,......
https://www.reference.com/world-view/ma ... 4182d89232

"In 2018, there were 16,214 murders in the United States. That statistic breaks down to five homicides per 100,000 in population that year. If you divide the total number of murders by 365 days, the number of days in a year, you discover that the U.S. experienced 44.42 murders per day, which means about 44 people were murdered each day in the U.S.
States with the Highest Murder Rates and Totals
The states with the highest murder rates per 1,000 in population in 2018 were Louisiana with 11.4 murders per thousand, Missouri, with 9.2 murders per thousand, Alaska with 8.2 murders per thousand, Maryland, with 8.1 murders per thousand, New Mexico with 8.0 murders per thousand, Alabama, with 7.8 murders per thousand, South Carolina with 7.7 murders per thousand, and Tennessee, with 7.4 murders per thousand. Arkansas and Illinois round out the top 10 with 7.2 and 6.9 per thousand, respectively."[/url]

Those look like, forgive me if I'm wrong, more rural areas to me. Not exactly hives of drug dealing and gang warfare but home to friendly, law abiding, gun toting Americans!

Catweazle · Post by **Catweazle** » 29 Apr 2020, 23:54

ReserveGrowthRulz wrote:you need to make up for how silly your idea of claiming El Salvador was all globally peaceful and whatnot, rather than what it just demonstrated.

I don't know who your usual audiences are, but the strawman stuff won't fool many people on this forum, no matter how many times you try.

ReserveGrowthRulz · Post by **ReserveGrowthRulz** » 30 Apr 2020, 04:02

Catweazle wrote:
ReserveGrowthRulz wrote:you need to make up for how silly your idea of claiming El Salvador was all globally peaceful and whatnot, rather than what it just demonstrated.
I don't know who your usual audiences are, but the strawman stuff won't fool many people on this forum, no matter how many times you try.

I provided a reference previously. Didn't need a strawman for an instant to make your prior claim of moving to El Salvador because of safety look farcical.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/28/americas ... index.html