Moderator: Peak Moderation
Fairly level data - certainly no obvious sign of a downturn.As of 9am on 23 April, 583,496 tests have concluded, with 23,560 tests carried out on 22 April.
425,821 people have been tested, of whom 138,078 have tested positive.
As of 5pm on 22 April, of those hospitalised in the UK who tested positive for coronavirus, 18,738 have died.
I dread to think what will happen if we don't ease off the brakes.Vortex2 wrote:HMG data as at 23 April
Fairly level data - certainly no obvious sign of a downturn.As of 9am on 23 April, 583,496 tests have concluded, with 23,560 tests carried out on 22 April.
425,821 people have been tested, of whom 138,078 have tested positive.
As of 5pm on 22 April, of those hospitalised in the UK who tested positive for coronavirus, 18,738 have died.
If we have a steady state like this even with a lock-down, I dread to think what will happen when we ease off the brakes.
Good point. Can't square the circle.vtsnowedin wrote:I dread to think what will happen if we don't ease off the brakes.Vortex2 wrote:HMG data as at 23 April
Fairly level data - certainly no obvious sign of a downturn.As of 9am on 23 April, 583,496 tests have concluded, with 23,560 tests carried out on 22 April.
425,821 people have been tested, of whom 138,078 have tested positive.
As of 5pm on 22 April, of those hospitalised in the UK who tested positive for coronavirus, 18,738 have died.
If we have a steady state like this even with a lock-down, I dread to think what will happen when we ease off the brakes.
We are well past that and must now deal with what mess we have created.Vortex2 wrote:Good point. Can't square the circle.vtsnowedin wrote:I dread to think what will happen if we don't ease off the brakes.Vortex2 wrote:HMG data as at 23 April
Fairly level data - certainly no obvious sign of a downturn.
If we have a steady state like this even with a lock-down, I dread to think what will happen when we ease off the brakes.
(Actually there WILL be a technically optimal series of actions ... but you would need everyone to play their part ... which they won't)
Instead of a pre-managed sequence/process we can only now use a fast reactive approach. This will drive people nuts : start/stop mini-lockdowns/bulk testing etc.vtsnowedin wrote:We are well past that and must now deal with what mess we have created.Vortex2 wrote:Good point. Can't square the circle.vtsnowedin wrote: I dread to think what will happen if we don't ease off the brakes.
(Actually there WILL be a technically optimal series of actions ... but you would need everyone to play their part ... which they won't)
Country vs. country it will come down to which realizes their best course first and implements it most successfully.
There can be no stopping. Perhaps a localized mini lockdown by those effected but the main economy has to become and stay as fully functional as possible.Vortex2 wrote: Instead of a pre-managed sequence/process we can only now use a fast reactive approach. This will drive people nuts : start/stop mini-lockdowns/bulk testing etc.
You've lost me - what data? They are reporting the number of people tested and the results. Presumably this is based on hospital triage and health and safety for the staff depending on the limited tests available. It tells us nothing else. Have they tested anyone who has not needed hospital admission but had symptoms? Community carers? Old people at home? Random groups?Vortex2 wrote:HMG data as at 23 April
Fairly level data - certainly no obvious sign of a downturn.As of 9am on 23 April, 583,496 tests have concluded, with 23,560 tests carried out on 22 April.
425,821 people have been tested, of whom 138,078 have tested positive.
As of 5pm on 22 April, of those hospitalised in the UK who tested positive for coronavirus, 18,738 have died.
If we have a steady state like this even with a lock-down, I dread to think what will happen when we ease off the brakes.
I track the daily changes of cases and deaths ... nothing exciting/hopeful to see as yet.fuzzy wrote:You've lost me - what data? They are reporting the number of people tested and the results. Presumably this is based on hospital triage and health and safety for the staff depending on the limited tests available. It tells us nothing else. Have they tested anyone who has not needed hospital admission but had symptoms? Community carers? Old people at home? Random groups?Vortex2 wrote:HMG data as at 23 April
Fairly level data - certainly no obvious sign of a downturn.As of 9am on 23 April, 583,496 tests have concluded, with 23,560 tests carried out on 22 April.
425,821 people have been tested, of whom 138,078 have tested positive.
As of 5pm on 22 April, of those hospitalised in the UK who tested positive for coronavirus, 18,738 have died.
If we have a steady state like this even with a lock-down, I dread to think what will happen when we ease off the brakes.
First off the author dose not know the difference between a machine gun and a semiautomatic rifle and is apparently terrified of anyone holding either one. Second he is awfully upset that Trump cut funding for the WHO as if the Who is capable of doing anything about Covid-19 or had done anything useful.kenneal - lagger wrote:This article articulates my thoughts on how some Americans are viewing this crisis.
Sorry for the long URL but I'm typing this on my phone so the intricacies of cut and paste are beyond me and my one finger.
https://eand.co/why-the-world-is-going- ... 818c3aa950
How else do you explain the bizarre spectacle of that kind of American crying to be “liberated� from lockdown? They feel they need to “go back to work� — not that they need massively more support from the government, which so far has offered them the equivalent of one week, though it’s already been a month, and going to be more. They don’t see any fault in the system — they want to go back to being cogs in its machine. They are willing to sacrifice their own health and that of their loves ones to do so. They’re martyrs for capitalism.
So they don't need support?"not that they need massively more support from the government,"
The support they don't need is not enough""has offered them the equivalent of one week, though it’s already been a month,"
Protestors usually protest a fault they see in the system. [/quote]They don’t see any fault in the system
In Lombardy, Italy, an epicenter of the pandemic in Europe, it is estimated that the known death toll only accounts for 48 percent of the total number of dead that died. Data from Spain’s national epidemiology center reveal that its counted dead due to the coronavirus are only 65 percent of the estimated excess deaths. In Belgium, which has the second highest number of deaths per capita in the world, only half of the casualties from the pandemic were accurately counted.
In the United Kingdom, the official counts are likely only tracking 42 percent of COVID-19 deaths. In New York City, the pandemic’s epicenter in North America, that number is 77 percent. Similar shortfalls were found in the Netherlands, Belgium, Sweden, Austria and Turkey.
These data also reveal the extent to which the pandemic is raging through the developing world. In Jakarta, Indonesia, for example, those said to have died from the coronavirus in March were only 5 percent of the number of the number of excess burials in the country during that month.
In total, there are likely at least 121,842 deaths from the coronavirus pandemic in those cities and countries, more than double what has been officially reported. If extrapolated to the rest of the world, the total number of men, women and children killed by the coronavirus would jump from just under 185,000 to about 370,000, a number that will rise as local health authorities retrospectively revise mortality rates upwards.
Definitely on the right track. However it is still a relatively small factor in the general scheme.Lord Beria3 wrote:https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2020/0 ... i-a23.html
In Lombardy, Italy, an epicenter of the pandemic in Europe, it is estimated that the known death toll only accounts for 48 percent of the total number of dead that died. Data from Spain’s national epidemiology center reveal that its counted dead due to the coronavirus are only 65 percent of the estimated excess deaths. In Belgium, which has the second highest number of deaths per capita in the world, only half of the casualties from the pandemic were accurately counted.
In the United Kingdom, the official counts are likely only tracking 42 percent of COVID-19 deaths. In New York City, the pandemic’s epicenter in North America, that number is 77 percent. Similar shortfalls were found in the Netherlands, Belgium, Sweden, Austria and Turkey.
These data also reveal the extent to which the pandemic is raging through the developing world. In Jakarta, Indonesia, for example, those said to have died from the coronavirus in March were only 5 percent of the number of the number of excess burials in the country during that month.
In total, there are likely at least 121,842 deaths from the coronavirus pandemic in those cities and countries, more than double what has been officially reported. If extrapolated to the rest of the world, the total number of men, women and children killed by the coronavirus would jump from just under 185,000 to about 370,000, a number that will rise as local health authorities retrospectively revise mortality rates upwards.
