What guns to buy? and related posts.

ReserveGrowthRulz · Post by **ReserveGrowthRulz** » 17 Apr 2020, 18:46

kenneal - lagger wrote:This article shows a picture of a "political" protest in the US over the Covid-19 lockdown. Many of the protestors are armed with assault weapons. Why? Are they armed to intimidate their politicians, even Hitler's Brownshirts weren't overtly armed, or do they fear attack from unarmed mainly Democrat supporters concerned about the health of their fellow citizens?

They are armed because they are allowed to be.

ReserveGrowthRulz · Post by **ReserveGrowthRulz** » 17 Apr 2020, 18:56

Mark wrote:
vtsnowedin wrote:Learning from those mistakes they created NATO and we are now already "over there". and have been every day post 1945.
Trump has seriously questioned the US continuing to be members of NATO...

Knowing that there are ingrates out there like you whining about everything under the Sun, can you blame him?

Mark · Post by **Mark** » 17 Apr 2020, 19:02

ReserveGrowthRulz wrote:
Mark wrote:There is no comment in the article about the armed nature of the protest either as if it is perfectly normal to go to a political protest armed to the teeth. This just shows what an awful country the US is turning into.
You have lived here for how many years?

If you're going to quote, at least quote the right person....

Anyway, I agree with Ken's sentiment.
To me, the message is to forget democracy, if you don't like a decision, just rock up on the steps armed with your AK47...
RGR - are you happy that this is the way that the US conducts business and projects itself to the rest of the world....?
Even Banana Republics don't do that these days....

vtsnowedin · Post by **vtsnowedin** » 17 Apr 2020, 19:24

Mark wrote:
ReserveGrowthRulz wrote:
Mark wrote:There is no comment in the article about the armed nature of the protest either as if it is perfectly normal to go to a political protest armed to the teeth. This just shows what an awful country the US is turning into.
You have lived here for how many years?
If you're going to quote, at least quote the right person....

Anyway, I agree with Ken's sentiment.
To me, the message is to forget democracy, if you don't like a decision, just rock up on the steps armed with your AK47...
RGR - are you happy that this is the way that the US conducts business and projects itself to the rest of the world....?
Even Banana Republics don't do that these days....

The protesters were exercising there first and second amendment rights. It was for all the rebel flags being displayed along with arms being carried a peaceable assembly.

Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances

Mark · Post by **Mark** » 17 Apr 2020, 19:25

ReserveGrowthRulz wrote:
Mark wrote:
vtsnowedin wrote:Learning from those mistakes they created NATO and we are now already "over there". and have been every day post 1945.
Trump has seriously questioned the US continuing to be members of NATO...
Knowing that there are ingrates out there like you whining about everything under the Sun, can you blame him?

The US has pulled out of the Paris Agreement on Climate Change during a Climate Emergency..., pulled out of the WHO during a global Pandemic and is thinking of pulling out of NATO...

The US also currently owes the UN $1 Billion...
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/poli ... 917554002/

Nobody is looking to the US for leadership on anything.
All Empires come to an end.

ReserveGrowthRulz · Post by **ReserveGrowthRulz** » 17 Apr 2020, 20:17

Mark wrote: To me, the message is to forget democracy, if you don't like a decision, just rock up on the steps armed with your AK47...

You sound about as ready to tinkle involuntarily as Ken does when faced with the horrors of an inanimate object.

ReserveGrowthRulz · Post by **ReserveGrowthRulz** » 17 Apr 2020, 20:28

Mark wrote: The US has pulled out of the Paris Agreement on Climate Change during a Climate Emergency..., pulled out of the WHO during a global Pandemic and is thinking of pulling out of NATO...

The US didn't pull out of anything of value when it left COP21.

Mark · Post by **Mark** » 18 Apr 2020, 09:43

ReserveGrowthRulz wrote:
Mark wrote: Nobody is looking to the US for leadership on anything.
All Empires come to an end.
Indeed. We'll just settle for worlds only military superpower, world's largest agricultural exporter, world's largest oil and gas producer, world's 2nd largest manufacturing economy....wow...I know you are thinking what I'm thinking...who needs to be an Empire when you've got stats like this?

I wouldn't bet my house on your agriculture:
https://www-bbc-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.or ... t-52312260
You already know that your Fracking Industry has collapsed:
https://qz.com/1830456/how-the-coronavi ... -industry/
Your manufacturing industry has also collapsed:
https://www.ft.com/content/6361247d-a1d ... 395801b3f3
We're yet to know whether it recovers as well as Asia's...?

Aptly for this thread, you might just be left with the military.....
and lots of guns..., you're welcome to the shoot-out....

ReserveGrowthRulz · Post by **ReserveGrowthRulz** » 18 Apr 2020, 14:35

Mark wrote:
ReserveGrowthRulz wrote:
Mark wrote: Nobody is looking to the US for leadership on anything.
All Empires come to an end.
Indeed. We'll just settle for worlds only military superpower, world's largest agricultural exporter, world's largest oil and gas producer, world's 2nd largest manufacturing economy....wow...I know you are thinking what I'm thinking...who needs to be an Empire when you've got stats like this?
I wouldn't bet my house on your agriculture:

I wasn't making a bet on anything. Just noting some factual information about American capabilities.

Post by **kenneal - lagger** » 18 Apr 2020, 19:43

ReserveGrowthRulz wrote:
kenneal - lagger wrote:This article shows a picture of a "political" protest in the US over the Covid-19 lockdown. Many of the protestors are armed with assault weapons. Why? Are they armed to intimidate their politicians, even Hitler's Brownshirts weren't overtly armed, or do they fear attack from unarmed mainly Democrat supporters concerned about the health of their fellow citizens?
They are armed because they are allowed to be. You haven't gotten a single comment on Americans and firearms right yet, so it isn't a surprise you don't know anything about those protesters either.

I haven't said anything about whether they are allowed to do it or not so your second sentence above is a load of rubbish. I am merely questioning what sort of state allows people to intimidate their local government by rocking up to a political demonstration armed to the teeth.
The inference of turning up to a demonstration toting assault weapons and a confederate flag is "do as we say or we will launch an armed revolt."

Why didn't you mention that for all the firearms, no one was shot and killed? You constantly argue that just the ownership of such things leads to their use....you see any use on anyone in that article? Me neither.

Why on earth did they need arms then if no one was going to attack them? It must have been to intimidate their democratically elected politicians. Hitler launched an armed revolt in Germany which led to him gaining power. Is this the sort of thing that we will see in the US? Gun toting right wing nutters imposing their will on the nation through force of arms. And it's all in the constitution!!

Kenneal - lagger wrote: There is no comment in the article about the armed nature of the protest either as if it is perfectly normal to go to a political protest armed to the teeth. This just shows what an awful country the US is turning into.
You have lived here for how many years?

I haven't and I wouldn't want to either whether I owned a gun or not.

ReserveGrowthRulz · Post by **ReserveGrowthRulz** » 18 Apr 2020, 21:58

kenneal - lagger wrote: I am merely questioning what sort of state allows people to intimidate their local government by rocking up to a political demonstration armed to the teeth.

My answer stands. They are allowed to carry firearms to a political demonstration the same as they are their wallets and purses. Your attachment or fascination of one inanimate object or another is your fascination, nothing more.

Mark · Post by **Mark** » 19 Apr 2020, 09:15

The 'defence' provided by RGR is total madness - democracy can never function properly if the elected officials are having AK47s waved at them
Imagine the same outside the Houses of Parliament or our local Councils ?

But in the US, the President, many elected Politicians, the 'Christian' Right, the NRA and much of the establishment would agree with RGR.
Remember, they're making America great again.
& they've got their finger on the red button...

America's gun culture in charts:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41488081

As well as all the death stats, what I noticed was there are 120.5 guns per 100 people, far higher than any other country.
You can only fire one at a time, so those good 'ol boys must have pretty big arsenals...., maybe they're expecting another civil war...?

Catweazle · Post by **Catweazle** » 19 Apr 2020, 11:50

There's no point in arguing about this, anyone who lives in a country where someone will try to shoot them for what they write on an internet forum is going to carry a gun for defence. The genie is out of the bottle and there's no putting it back.

Thankkfully we didn't pull the cork, so when a pandemic threatens us we buy vitamins and toilet rolls, safe in the knowledge we won't need half a case of .45 ammo to defend them.

vtsnowedin · Post by **vtsnowedin** » 19 Apr 2020, 12:23

Mark wrote: so those good 'ol boys must have pretty big arsenals..

That is a fact.

.., maybe they're expecting another civil war...?

A few actually are. A larger group thinks being prepared for one is the best deterrent to one actually happening.

ReserveGrowthRulz · Post by **ReserveGrowthRulz** » 19 Apr 2020, 15:36

Mark wrote:The 'defence' provided by RGR is total madness - democracy can never function properly if the elected officials are having AK47s waved at them

The governor could have walked outside and talked to the folks with the guns with no more fear than those carrying them have. The possession of an inanimate object that you are scared of does not mean that everyone else feels the same way.