Catweazle wrote:
I understand, in fact I've already written that we need to consider how many people will have shorter lives as a result of economic crash.
However, some sources seem to indicate that nobody really knows what effects this disease is causing yet. We could be releasing something far more serious than we know.
Perhaps but the chances of a lockdown no matter how long preventing that release is remote. The harm caused by shutting down the economy is known.
Perhaps these reports are mistaken, I don't know what to believe, but as I wrote earlier in this thread it seems to me that the actions countries are taking are not consistent with the majority of public info, as if there is something we are not privy to.
Edit to add// I just read that the UK furlough scheme has been extended to June.
I see a mixed bag in governments around the world. Perhaps some have realized that the future will be a competition between governments and their politicians competing for who has done the best job dealing with the pandemic thereby leaving their country stronger then the others.
I really don't know how many times this needs to be said before it sinks in.
The UK has to import getting on for sixty percent of its food. Of the less than 50% that it produces, this is only achieved on the back of imported fertilizers and fuel.
The UK is a capitalist economy that has to purchase those imports with capitalist money off other capitalist exporters. If this country's economy completely collapses and has no money or, just as bad, its money becomes worthless, we will have starvation in this country.
Little John wrote:I really don't know how many times this needs to be said before it sinks in.
The UK has to import getting on for sixty percent of its food. Of the less than 50% that it produces, this is only done on the back of imported fertilizers and fuel.
The UK is a capitalist economy that has to purchase those imports with capitalist money of other capitalist exporters. If this country's economy completely collapses and has no money or, just as bad, it's money becomes worthless, we will have starvation in this country.
I agree with all of that. However, you have forgotten that most people are morons who can barely tie their shoelaces let alone understand economics.
Little John wrote:I really don't know how many times this needs to be said before it sinks in.
The UK has to import getting on for sixty percent of its food. Of the less than 50% that it produces, this is only achieved on the back of imported fertilizers and fuel.
The UK is a capitalist economy that has to purchase those imports with capitalist money off other capitalist exporters. If this country's economy completely collapses and has no money or, just as bad, its money becomes worthless, we will have starvation in this country.
Not everyone ... if you have a viable business or desirable skills you will be fine.
Little John wrote:I really don't know how many times this needs to be said before it sinks in.
The UK has to import getting on for sixty percent of its food. Of the less than 50% that it produces, this is only achieved on the back of imported fertilizers and fuel.
The UK is a capitalist economy that has to purchase those imports with capitalist money off other capitalist exporters. If this country's economy completely collapses and has no money or, just as bad, its money becomes worthless, we will have starvation in this country.
Not everyone ... if you have a viable business or desirable skills you will be fine.
Unless the lockdown has just killed a business that was viable.
vtsnowedin wrote:..................... Fine for you but what about those living in rental housing working a city job?
They are at home being paid 80% of their wage by the government with a moratorium on evictions if rent can't be paid. Oh! The evils of socialism!! They might find it difficult to find a nice place to exercise though as many of the city parks have been closed and it's difficult to grow much food on a flat balcony, if you are lucky enough to have one.
adam2 wrote:Regarding most (disposable) PPE being dated, I feel that some research is needed as to why the expiry dates are as they are, and whether these dates could be extended at modest cost.
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They are probably dated to ensure turn over to keep the suppliers constantly in work. Mass production requires a mass market at a relatively constant level so the throw away society was born. Manufacturing a load of stuff and then having to close the production line isn't profitable.
Little John wrote:I really don't know how many times this needs to be said before it sinks in.
The UK has to import getting on for sixty percent of its food. Of the less than 50% that it produces, this is only achieved on the back of imported fertilizers and fuel.
The UK is a capitalist economy that has to purchase those imports with capitalist money off other capitalist exporters. If this country's economy completely collapses and has no money or, just as bad, its money becomes worthless, we will have starvation in this country.
Not everyone ... if you have a viable business or desirable skills you will be fine.
Catweazle wrote:Are we considering the possible long-term non-fatal effects of CV19 ? It's no good going for herd-immunity to protect the economy if it leaves millions of people long term disabled.................
Some here obviously aren't because it only affects the elderly you know!!
Catweazle wrote:Are we considering the possible long-term non-fatal effects of CV19 ? It's no good going for herd-immunity to protect the economy if it leaves millions of people long term disabled.................
Some here obviously aren't because it only affects the elderly you know!!
Stop putting words in mouths Ken. Nobody has said it only affects the elderly. It does, however, overwhelmingly affect the elderly. That is simply a bald fact.
vtsnowedin wrote:.................... We have deaths every day from the medical effects of Covid and if we don't act soon we will have even more deaths every day from the economic crash.
That, to a great extent, is because of the political system that you have chosen to support. If the Christian Right in the US were a bit more Christian than Right you wouldn't be looking at quite so many deaths from economic problems.
vtsnowedin wrote:..................... Fine for you but what about those living in rental housing working a city job?
They are at home being paid 80% of their wage by the government with a moratorium on evictions if rent can't be paid. Oh! The evils of socialism!! They might find it difficult to find a nice place to exercise though as many of the city parks have been closed and it's difficult to grow much food on a flat balcony, if you are lucky enough to have one.
And how long do you think that is going to last in a wrecked economy or, more's the point, how much do you think that 80% of wages is going to be worth in a wrecked economy with rampant inflation?
Little John wrote:I really don't know how many times this needs to be said before it sinks in.
The UK has to import getting on for sixty percent of its food. Of the less than 50% that it produces, this is only achieved on the back of imported fertilizers and fuel.
The UK is a capitalist economy that has to purchase those imports with capitalist money off other capitalist exporters. If this country's economy completely collapses and has no money or, just as bad, its money becomes worthless, we will have starvation in this country.
Not everyone ... if you have a viable business or desirable skills you will be fine.
And F--k everyone else, eh?
Your attitude sucks.
We all realise that there are poor and sick in the world.
We don't need reminding every five seconds.
There will be successful people too .. it's just the way the world works.
