What guns to buy? and related posts.

Bedrock Barney · Post by **Bedrock Barney** » 16 Apr 2020, 14:28

I've just read through this particular thread for the first time. Other than the relative merits of this gun or that gun I'm not sure of the point of the debate of the UK v USA.

In my younger years I spent 9 months of my time in the US across 3 summers. Had a lovely time and met lots of lovely people all across the US.

One thing it brought home to me is how similar we are yet equally how different we are.

Guns and religion are radically different either side of the pond. I doubt either can fully understand the other, and I suppose ultimately it doesn't really matter.

As you were!

ReserveGrowthRulz · Post by **ReserveGrowthRulz** » 16 Apr 2020, 15:24

Bedrock Barney wrote: Guns and religion are radically different either side of the pond.

Based on the conversations we have here, it sure looks that way.

Catweazle · Post by **Catweazle** » 16 Apr 2020, 21:13

ReserveGrowthRulz wrote:Ultimately it isn't about the firearms anyway, but the attitude. That expresses itself even without a firearm.

Indeed: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/1 ... ge-attack/

ReserveGrowthRulz · Post by **ReserveGrowthRulz** » 16 Apr 2020, 23:47

Catweazle wrote:
ReserveGrowthRulz wrote:Ultimately it isn't about the firearms anyway, but the attitude. That expresses itself even without a firearm.
Indeed: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/1 ... ge-attack/

Indeed indeed.

vtsnowedin · Post by **vtsnowedin** » 17 Apr 2020, 01:09

Over there"
The Yanks are coming
Their come come coming
And they won't come back
tell it's over over there.

ReserveGrowthRulz · Post by **ReserveGrowthRulz** » 17 Apr 2020, 02:16

vtsnowedin wrote:Over there"
The Yanks are coming
Their come come coming
And they won't come back
tell it's over over there.

vtsnowedin · Post by **vtsnowedin** » 17 Apr 2020, 09:45

ReserveGrowthRulz wrote:
vtsnowedin wrote:Over there"
The Yanks are coming
Their come come coming
And they won't come back
tell it's over over there.
And how many unarmed American citizens do you think we would need to lodge over there so that every time one of these knife wielding whack-a-doodles scares the local populace into searching for fire extinguishers and narwhal tusks, a single American somewhere in the crowd can end the situation with the appropriate bad guy being brought down before he gets among the sheep? Who, as we have learned from Catweazle, apparently stand around waiting to get stabbed to death? I mean, that American could at least use help with the sheep understanding about staying out of range of a blade for crying out loud. It wasn't as though this guy was lunging from dark corners taking them by surprise, one by one.

When we go "over there" we bring our guns (and tanks) with us. Poor form to arrive at a party without the proper kit.

Post by **kenneal - lagger** » 17 Apr 2020, 12:22

vtsnowedin wrote:..................When we go "over there" we bring our guns (and tanks) with us. Poor form to arrive at a party without the proper kit.

Arriving late, of course, so that someone else has stalled the attack before you get involved. Not just once but twice!!

vtsnowedin · Post by **vtsnowedin** » 17 Apr 2020, 12:36

kenneal - lagger wrote:
vtsnowedin wrote:..................When we go "over there" we bring our guns (and tanks) with us. Poor form to arrive at a party without the proper kit.
Arriving late, of course, so that someone else has stalled the attack before you get involved. Not just once but twice!!

True of course but in WW1 what beef did the US have with the Austrians?
In WW2 much of America had recent immigrants from all sides of the conflict in Europe as voters and parents of voters. Some sections of America were majority German or Italian.
Learning from those mistakes they created NATO and we are now already "over there". and have been every day post 1945.

Post by **kenneal - lagger** » 17 Apr 2020, 14:23

vtsnowedin wrote:....... True of course but in WW1 what beef did the US have with the Austrians?

The Kaiser was very much German, being closely related to Queen Victoria (

). The Austro- Hungarian Empire was a separate entity although allied to Germany. And Hitler, although Austrian by birth, was very much Chancellor of Germany.

In WW2 much of America had recent immigrants from all sides of the conflict in Europe as voters and parents of voters. Some sections of America were majority German or Italian. ................

Many of those immigrants were refugees from Hitler and Mussolini.

Post by **kenneal - lagger** » 17 Apr 2020, 14:58

This article shows a picture of a "political" protest in the US over the Covid-19 lockdown. Many of the protestors are armed with assault weapons. Why? Are they armed to intimidate their politicians, even Hitler's Brownshirts weren't overtly armed, or do they fear attack from unarmed mainly Democrat supporters concerned about the health of their fellow citizens?

There is no comment in the article about the armed nature of the protest either as if it is perfectly normal to go to a political protest armed to the teeth. This just shows what an awful country the US is turning into.

Mark · Post by **Mark** » 17 Apr 2020, 15:55

vtsnowedin wrote:Learning from those mistakes they created NATO and we are now already "over there". and have been every day post 1945.

Trump has seriously questioned the US continuing to be members of NATO...
Last week he pulled out of the WHO in the middle of a pandemic, so I wouldn't put it past him.
He's already pulled the US out of nearly every other Treaty/Organisation...

That only leaves the UN ?
Personally, I think they should relocate it anyway to somewhere more suitable, like Switzerland...

vtsnowedin · Post by **vtsnowedin** » 17 Apr 2020, 16:09

kenneal - lagger wrote:
vtsnowedin wrote:....... True of course but in WW1 what beef did the US have with the Austrians?
The Kaiser was very much German, being closely related to Queen Victoria ( ). The Austro- Hungarian Empire was a separate entity although allied to Germany. And Hitler, although Austrian by birth, was very much Chancellor of Germany.

In WW2 much of America had recent immigrants from all sides of the conflict in Europe as voters and parents of voters. Some sections of America were majority German or Italian. ................
Many of those immigrants were refugees from Hitler and Mussolini.

Get your wars straight. Hitler was a corporal in WW1 Chancellor in WW2.
The immigrants had been coming to America for decades and had settled much of the farm land in the Midwest with six states that are more then 35 percent German ancestry today. That in migration started right around Custer's last stand in 1876 so had nothing to do with Hitler or Mussolini.
The Italians came at slightly different times but also for economic reasons. More then a few settled in Vermont bringing their craftsmanship to work the granite and marble from Vermont's quarries.

vtsnowedin · Post by **vtsnowedin** » 17 Apr 2020, 16:12

Mark wrote:
vtsnowedin wrote:Learning from those mistakes they created NATO and we are now already "over there". and have been every day post 1945.
Trump has seriously questioned the US continuing to be members of NATO...
Last week he pulled out of the WHO in the middle of a pandemic, so I wouldn't put it past him.
He's already pulled the US out of nearly every other Treaty/Organisation...

That only leaves the UN ?
Personally, I think they should relocate it anyway to somewhere more suitable, like Switzerland...

Trump's bluster about NATO was to get you slackers to pay your share of the bills. As to the UN you are welcome to it and all the sleazeballs and spies that attend it.

ReserveGrowthRulz · Post by **ReserveGrowthRulz** » 17 Apr 2020, 18:42

kenneal - lagger wrote:
vtsnowedin wrote:..................When we go "over there" we bring our guns (and tanks) with us. Poor form to arrive at a party without the proper kit.
Arriving late, of course, so that someone else has stalled the attack before you get involved. Not just once but twice!!

We didn't arrive late. We arrived just in time.

You're welcome.