New coronavirus in/from China

[Little John]

*Let it rip

*Mobilize the army and police to keep the peace, distribute food and other essential resources for the month or two of hell that would ensue and also to pick up the bodies.

*Start again

Not going to happen

[Mean Mr Mustard II]

Just checked .... Lloyds is my bank ... and yes they have added that restrictive middle part to the government's rules ... making it look like it's part of the government regulations.

Very naughty.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... loan-cbils

I wonder just what percent of the UK economy will have been destroyed by this lockdown. I heard one estimate of 25% but I think it'll be more than that.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... d-miliband

[boisdevie]

Let it rip
Send round the army to pick up the bodies
Clean up the mess
Start again

Not going to happen

Nope The politicians have dug themselves in a hole and they're not going to admit that they over-reacted and f***ed up

[Little John]

Let it rip
Send round the army to pick up the bodies
Clean up the mess
Start again

Not going to happen

Nope The politicians have dug themselves in a hole and they're not going to admit that they over-reacted and f***ed up

Agreed. Worst outcome heading this way.

[Bedrock Barney]

I have zero confidence in the ability of our so called leaders. Everything I see and read on MSM I take with a pinch of salt. Switching on the TV these days is a torment and the amount of inanity is breath taking. Even the bloody weather forecast on the BBC has photos taken from inside people's houses. It's like being back in primary school.

Right that's got that of my chest

[vtsnowedin]

Everything I see and read on MSM I take with a pinch of salt.

I'm up to a taking full teaspoon of salt with each item.

[Mark]

OK eventually the government will have to relax some restrictions to keep food on the shelves etc. If you were tasked to make those decisions what would you do or not do?
My take USA leaning of course.:
I would start with declaring all transportation and trucking as essential services and keep open all truck stops and the restaurants serving them (along with their bathrooms). Leave it to owners how to best protect staff and truck drivers. Perhaps wait staff wearing masks. every other booth closed to allow distancing between customers.
Advise 70+year olds to continue staying at home and get food and other essentials delivered to their door.
Open all factories and food processing plants with management tasked to keep workers as safe as possible. Temp. checks at the time clock, daily issue of needed PPE. etc.
Declare all farm work an essential industry and remove any roadblock to planting in a timely manner.
Try that much and see how it goes.

We have defined/self defined 'key' workers and industries.
Food factories are obviously 'key', as are their suppliers/transporters etc
Tissue mills are 'key' and continue to produce toilet rolls, cardboard boxes are still needed to package all those home deliveries, perspex screens need to be made to protect supermarket checkout workers, storage units need to be manufactured for Nightingale Hospitals, medicines still need to be made/packaged/transported etc etc. etc. etc.....
I suspect that a much of UK manufacturing industry is continuing to operate as each company will have argued that they're key to some supply chain or other....
Agriculture is continuing too, but short of workers to pick the crops...

Since Maggie, I think that manufacturing only makes up about 10%(?) of our economy, not sure about agriculture, but that's low too...
Finance/Services/Retail etc. is a different situation all together.....

[Vortex2]

"Stay-at-home mantras and war talk must not distract us from holding the government to account for the nation’s grief"

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... nt-account

[Catweazle]

Everything I see and read on MSM I take with a pinch of salt.

I'm up to a taking full teaspoon of salt with each item.

Very sensible VT, a lesson learned from experience no doubt.

I can't help thinking of dark matter.

We observe the universe behaving in a way that makes no sense to us, is irrational, and can only be explained by the existence of something we know nothing about and cannot see.

That's how I feel, that there is something driving things that I'm not privy to.

[Vortex2]

Everything I see and read on MSM I take with a pinch of salt.

I'm up to a taking full teaspoon of salt with each item.

Very sensible VT, a lesson learned from experience no doubt.

I can't help thinking of dark matter.

We observe the universe behaving in a way that makes no sense to us, is irrational, and can only be explained by the existence of something we know nothing about and cannot see.

That's how I feel, that there is something driving things that I'm not privy to.

See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breeds_There_a_Man...%3F

[vtsnowedin]

OK eventually the government will have to relax some restrictions to keep food on the shelves etc. If you were tasked to make those decisions what would you do or not do?
My take USA leaning of course.:
I would start with declaring all transportation and trucking as essential services and keep open all truck stops and the restaurants serving them (along with their bathrooms). Leave it to owners how to best protect staff and truck drivers. Perhaps wait staff wearing masks. every other booth closed to allow distancing between customers.
Advise 70+year olds to continue staying at home and get food and other essentials delivered to their door.
Open all factories and food processing plants with management tasked to keep workers as safe as possible. Temp. checks at the time clock, daily issue of needed PPE. etc.
Declare all farm work an essential industry and remove any roadblock to planting in a timely manner.
Try that much and see how it goes.

We have defined/self defined 'key' workers and industries.
Food factories are obviously 'key', as are their suppliers/transporters etc
Tissue mills are 'key' and continue to produce toilet rolls, cardboard boxes are still needed to package all those home deliveries, perspex screens need to be made to protect supermarket checkout workers, storage units need to be manufactured for Nightingale Hospitals, medicines still need to be made/packaged/transported etc etc. etc. etc.....
I suspect that a much of UK manufacturing industry is continuing to operate as each company will have argued that they're key to some supply chain or other....
Agriculture is continuing too, but short of workers to pick the crops...

Since Maggie, I think that manufacturing only makes up about 10%(?) of our economy, not sure about agriculture, but that's low too...
Finance/Services/Retail etc. is a different situation all together.....

Perhaps a list of things that should stay closed for now.
1, Anybody that can work from home should stay at home.
2, schools should stay closed until next fall.
3, bars and sit down restaurants other then truck stops stay closed.
4, elective surgeries postponed. (some work needed to refine the term "elective" as some are life saving or extending.
5, financial services, stock trading, etc. all done from home or from extremely social distanced circumstances.
6, Auto repair all done by curbside pickup and drop off.
7, Hotels closed except for medical personnel.
More of course but this for now.

[ReserveGrowthRulz]

Perhaps a list of things that should stay closed for now.
1, Anybody that can work from home should stay at home.
2, schools should stay closed until next fall.
3, bars and sit down restaurants other then truck stops stay closed.
4, elective surgeries postponed. (some work needed to refine the term "elective" as some are life saving or extending.
5, financial services, stock trading, etc. all done from home or from extremely social distanced circumstances.
6, Auto repair all done by curbside pickup and drop off.
7, Hotels closed except for medical personnel.
More of course but this for now.

You don't have this already? Colorado has been like this for a couple weeks now.

[Snail]

To not take advantage of this and rejig our economy would be madness: Like labour and jeremy corbyn over brexit.

I dont want everything going bau afterward, as that's not sustainable in any case. Young people should take it on the chin.

Why not lift the lockdown regionally? Gradually within the regions, coupled with trace and quarentine when the numbers become manageable. Why should areas with low numbers be treated the same as those with high. Just hinder movement between areas.

Shouldn't schools and universities not be moving online already.

For auto repair, breakdown recovery vehicles should allow people to stay in their car while being towed on the back of the pickup truck.

Over 70s are mostly retired. Give them help to cocoon more effectively.

For the needed agriculture labour, just make it so earning extra money doesn't affect any benefits etc.

And shouldn't Sweden's numbers be showing substantial growth by now?

[vtsnowedin]

Perhaps a list of things that should stay closed for now.
1, Anybody that can work from home should stay at home.
2, schools should stay closed until next fall.
3, bars and sit down restaurants other then truck stops stay closed.
4, elective surgeries postponed. (some work needed to refine the term "elective" as some are life saving or extending.
5, financial services, stock trading, etc. all done from home or from extremely social distanced circumstances.
6, Auto repair all done by curbside pickup and drop off.
7, Hotels closed except for medical personnel.
More of course but this for now.

You don't have this already? Colorado has been like this for a couple weeks now.

Of course I do. The list adds to Or counters the list above of things they need to open first. Have you noticed that one of the largest pork packing plant 5% of US production is closed for two weeks?

[Vortex2]

HMG data as at 13th April

As of 9am on 13 April, 367,667 tests have concluded, with 14,506 tests carried out on 12 April.

290,720 people have been tested, of whom 88,621 tested positive.

As of 5pm on 12 April, of those hospitalised in the UK who tested positive for coronavirus, 11,329 have died.

Both are lower than my expected 90,397 cases and 12,107 deaths.

Predicting the future can be difficult!