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Vortex2 wrote:
kenneal - lagger wrote:
adam2 wrote:.....
They also state that private gardens may be used as normal. So no more police giving "words of advice" if children are seen playing in gardens
Is that back gardens only or does it include open plan front gardens?
Nope.

The police are being equipped with 'gun trucks' fitted with quad machine guns to ensure that front gardens are kept nice and tidy.
'Technicals' are usually operated by lawless roving gangsters lording it over their local fiefdoms in failed states. Taliban, Janjiweed, South Yorkshire Police.
All upholders of disciplined community standards and vengeful punishers of the feckless and indulgent.

As it happens, I've been working on my small front garden, which was getting a bit overrun.
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vtsnowedin wrote:
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vtsnowedin wrote:.......
One thing I do know is their lack of enough money to afford extended lockdowns will mean they get through all the waves well before we do.
Those poor countries have their own currency and central bank so they can print as much money as they need just as rich countries are doing. Whether or not they distribute that money to the people who need it or dish it out to their already rich friends like the Donald is doing is another matter.
As Zimbabwe has shown a poor country can print all the money it wants to but can't give it any value or make other countries accept it for payment of imported goods.
It will always have some value, as long as it's absorbent.
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Catweazle wrote:
vtsnowedin wrote:
kenneal - lagger wrote: Those poor countries have their own currency and central bank so they can print as much money as they need just as rich countries are doing. Whether or not they distribute that money to the people who need it or dish it out to their already rich friends like the Donald is doing is another matter.
As Zimbabwe has shown a poor country can print all the money it wants to but can't give it any value or make other countries accept it for payment of imported goods.
It will always have some value, as long as it's absorbent.
:lol: :D
But don't use stripper cash. You know where it has been but you don't know what she had.
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The governor of Vermont just extended his stay at home orders to May 15th.
That would be 69 days for me.
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adam2 wrote:Do many of the western population possess eiderdowns under which to hide ? They are VERY last century you know.
Duvets are quite the thing nowadays. :lol:
I possess an Eider down duvet 8)

Guardian reports that an Austrian random sample testing reported less than 1% infected 1 week ago
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Guardian also reports that some hedge fund managers made £billions on the collapse of the markets.
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vtsnowedin wrote:
Catweazle wrote:
vtsnowedin wrote: As Zimbabwe has shown a poor country can print all the money it wants to but can't give it any value or make other countries accept it for payment of imported goods.
It will always have some value, as long as it's absorbent.
:lol: :D
But don't use stripper cash. You know where it has been but you don't know what she had.
In one of my various careers I was a paper currency expert, working in a anti-counterfeiting unit.

FWIW at that time 5 Rand notes coming back into the main SA banks were handled with gloves, weighed and then burned. The notes could move around by themselves on a table top! The owners of such low value notes used to keep them - err - umm - in unusual places, where lice and other fauna roam.

The same applies to the lowest value Australian notes.

That's why states introduce plastic and thus washable notes - usually just the low value ones initially.

(Japan is the exception - they are just paranoid about bugs and want to wash all their notes without any specific need)
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PS_RalphW wrote:
adam2 wrote:Do many of the western population possess eiderdowns under which to hide ? They are VERY last century you know.
Duvets are quite the thing nowadays. :lol:
I possess an Eider down duvet 8)

Guardian reports that an Austrian random sample testing reported less than 1% infected 1 week ago
That neighbouring 15% German figure is well dodgy ... maybe too high to be representative.

That critique (German) link I posted earlier is worth a read /translate.
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PS_RalphW wrote:Guardian also reports that some hedge fund managers made £billions on the collapse of the markets.
Twas ever so.
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PS_RalphW wrote:Guardian also reports that some hedge fund managers made £billions on the collapse of the markets.
Meanwhile, nurses cut arm and head holes in dustbin sacks as ppe.

Where did we go so wrong ?
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Catweazle wrote:
PS_RalphW wrote:Guardian also reports that some hedge fund managers made £billions on the collapse of the markets.
Meanwhile, nurses cut arm and head holes in dustbin sacks as ppe.

Where did we go so wrong ?
Later I shall be posting a FOI request on the role of NHS managers during the crisis.

They have cost and still cost a fortune so I hope they donned scrubs - or bin bags - to help the front line.

Their past salaries could have been invested in PPE or nurse's salaries.
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HMG as at 10 April : Hospital deaths now at 8958.

My graph is stable and showing 10k deaths total on Sunday/Monday.
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Vortex2 wrote:
PS_RalphW wrote:Guardian also reports that some hedge fund managers made £billions on the collapse of the markets.
Twas ever so.
Well if they are fund managers it would be doing their job to make money for the investors. Now if they only made money for their personal accounts and left the clients falling off the cliff that's a whole nuther kettle of fish.
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BBC radio just quoted best estimate uk infection rate at 4%, but didn't say whose best estimate

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4% of 60M is about 2.5M. Rather more than the 75,000 confirmed cases by about a factor of 35

This would give a lower bound ifr of 0.36% but the final figure would be significantly higher due to the time from infection to death, and death reporting delays
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PS_RalphW wrote:Guardian also reports that some hedge fund managers made £billions on the collapse of the markets.
Good! My pension won't be entirely defunded then.
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