What guns to buy? and related posts.

ReserveGrowthRulz · Post by **ReserveGrowthRulz** » 26 Mar 2020, 16:16

Vortex2 wrote:One for RGR ... nice looking firearm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FD_AGr-MSNs

That is a nice 1911.

Vortex2 · Post by **Vortex2** » 09 Apr 2020, 21:32

I want this one!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SF9X559sgWs

vtsnowedin · Post by **vtsnowedin** » 09 Apr 2020, 22:21

Vortex2 wrote:I want this one!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SF9X559sgWs

You have any place with enough open range to shoot it? I don't know why everybody is so enamored or the 6.5 Creedmore. If the barrels are made to the same standard and bedded properly the Creedmore can do nothing the 308 or even a 270 Winchester can't do.

Catweazle · Post by **Catweazle** » 09 Apr 2020, 23:01

vtsnowedin wrote:
Vortex2 wrote:I want this one!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SF9X559sgWs
You have any place with enough open range to shoot it? I don't know why everybody is so enamored or the 6.5 Creedmore. If the barrels are made to the same standard and bedded properly the Creedmore can do nothing the 308 or even a 270 Winchester can't do.

I don't know about .270, never owned one, but I have shot .308 alongside 6.5 Creedmoor and the 6.5 has the edge past 800yds from a normal length barrel. Extremely long .308's used in palma competitions close the gap by keeping the bullet supersonic for longer.

ReserveGrowthRulz · Post by **ReserveGrowthRulz** » 09 Apr 2020, 23:36

Vortex2 wrote:I want this one!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SF9X559sgWs

Why?

ReserveGrowthRulz · Post by **ReserveGrowthRulz** » 09 Apr 2020, 23:40

Catweazle wrote:
vtsnowedin wrote:
Vortex2 wrote:I want this one!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SF9X559sgWs
You have any place with enough open range to shoot it? I don't know why everybody is so enamored or the 6.5 Creedmore. If the barrels are made to the same standard and bedded properly the Creedmore can do nothing the 308 or even a 270 Winchester can't do.
I don't know about .270, never owned one, but I have shot .308 alongside 6.5 Creedmoor and the 6.5 has the edge past 800yds from a normal length barrel. Extremely long .308's used in palma competitions close the gap by keeping the bullet supersonic for longer.

A .270 is a standard western long range caliber.

vtsnowedin · Post by **vtsnowedin** » 10 Apr 2020, 09:00

Catweazle wrote:
I don't know about .270, never owned one, but I have shot .308 alongside 6.5 Creedmoor and the 6.5 has the edge past 800yds from a normal length barrel. Extremely long .308's used in palma competitions close the gap by keeping the bullet supersonic for longer.

I don't see that. Running both trough a calculator program shooting the same brand and type of bullet factory loads sighted in for 250 yards I get at 800yds the 6.5 down 171.8 inches and the 308 down 175.1" 10 mph crosswind 6.5 drift 51.5" vs. 308 55.5", velocity 6.5 1532fps, 308 1487fps. energy 6.5 730 ft.lbs. 308 807 ft. lbs.
So for 3.3 less inches of drop you give up 77 ft. lbs. of energy. ? That is not an edge in my book because once you manage to hit your target you want the bullet to kill it.

Catweazle · Post by **Catweazle** » 10 Apr 2020, 10:01

I would never hunt at 800yds anyway, but shooting the two side-by-side my .308 gives up accuracy past 800 whereas the 6.5 was good to 1000yds.

As a deer rifle ? I'd go for the .308, bigger holes, more energy, cleaner kill, dead easy to reload and ammunition or components available anywhere.

In the US you have loads of 30-06, arguably even better, but not so common here.

vtsnowedin · Post by **vtsnowedin** » 10 Apr 2020, 10:28

Catweazle wrote:I would never hunt at 800yds anyway, but shooting the two side-by-side my .308 gives up accuracy past 800 whereas the 6.5 was good to 1000yds.

As a deer rifle ? I'd go for the .308, bigger holes, more energy, cleaner kill, dead easy to reload and ammunition or components available anywhere.

In the US you have loads of 30-06, arguably even better, but not so common here.

Your side by side shooting difference was probably in the bedding of the actions, differences in scopes or your reaction to recoil as the 6.5 does have less kick in setups of equal weight.
They are hyping the round because they need something new for the American market that is not already over stocked in the used gun racks.
I look at it and can't see anything I can do with it in my woods my 7x57. (275 Rigby to you) can't do better.
If one has things that need to be hit at 800 to 1000 yards or more the way to go is larger and heavier up to 50BMG. Of course a 25 to 30 power scope helps a lot and is half the setup and often more then half the costs.

ReserveGrowthRulz · Post by **ReserveGrowthRulz** » 10 Apr 2020, 15:57

Catweazle wrote: In the US you have loads of 30-06, arguably even better, but not so common here.

Back when I was an avid hunter, 30-06 was the go to caliber.

vtsnowedin · Post by **vtsnowedin** » 10 Apr 2020, 17:03

A 243Win is just a .308 necked down to six millimeter. Very good performance in several bullet weights. I have a box of 243 brass in front of me I'm going to reload for a relative. If you have a 243 you have no "Need" of a 6.5 Creedmore but "Need' seldom has much to do with it.
We fought WW1 and WW2 with the 30-06 in several rifles and machine guns. the 308 came about to improve machine gun reliability, rate of fire and weight of weapon. In a bolt action rifle the 30-06 is the more versatile round handling bullets from 125 to 220 grains while the 308 runs out of powder space after you get to 180 grain bullets.

ReserveGrowthRulz · Post by **ReserveGrowthRulz** » 10 Apr 2020, 20:41

vtsnowedin wrote:A 243Win is just a .308 necked down to six millimeter. Very good performance in several bullet weights. I have a box of 243 brass in front of me I'm going to reload for a relative. If you have a 243 you have no "Need" of a 6.5 Creedmore but "Need' seldom has much to do with it.

Those whom I recall using the .243 were the kinds who would wander out in the woods in the morning...fire a single shot..and have a deer.

vtsnowedin · Post by **vtsnowedin** » 10 Apr 2020, 21:20

ReserveGrowthRulz wrote: I still have the family heirloom 30-06's and whatnot, and my first western gun. No desire for a .308 unless I get an AR-10 platform. Have no urge though.

I'm with you on that.,
I just finished loading that box of 243s. 38 gr. of 4064 under an 80 gr. Speer sp spitzer. Not the beginning load but still good for the kid to learn with. I'll move him up to some 100 gr. Nozler partitions before hunting season. Almost finished the Speers so went through my boxes and did a 6mm inventory. I have 160 6mm bullets left but 100 of those are Hornaday 100gr round nose interlock's.
I'll wait and see how much practice the kid actually does before I worry about getting to the gun shop and buying more.
We won't talk about how many 7mm bullets I have.

ReserveGrowthRulz · Post by **ReserveGrowthRulz** » 11 Apr 2020, 02:54

vtsnowedin wrote: I'll wait and see how much practice the kid actually does before I worry about getting to the gun shop and buying more.

vtsnowedin · Post by **vtsnowedin** » 11 Apr 2020, 09:57

ReserveGrowthRulz wrote:
vtsnowedin wrote: I'll wait and see how much practice the kid actually does before I worry about getting to the gun shop and buying more.
By "kid", you are teaching a youngster on his first hi-power?-

His father is using my back forty as range and hunting ground.

vtsnowedin wrote: We won't talk about how many 7mm bullets I have.

Not being a reloader, I don't tend to think in terms of bullets, compared to stockpiled rounds.
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Having the tools and separate components I can load for the various calibers and individual rifles as the ammo is consumed. 7mm fits both 7x57 and 7-08, 30 caliber for 30-30 and 30-06 (flat nosed only in 30-30) 6.5 for 6.5 Sweed and Creedmore if somebody buys one. 6mm for 243 6mm Remington 270 for 270 Win. Etc. Large rifle primers fit them all so I have those by the 1000 rd brick.
In recent years I haven't done much beyond load a couple of boxes for hunting each year but it used to be my goto hobby. With the stay at home orders it is something to do better then annoy the Missis.