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[stumuz1]

Northamptonshire police warn that they are "days away from searching supermarket trolleys" to ensure that purchases are "necessary and legitimate"

And what sorts of goods will they be prohibiting ?
It seems to me that if supermarkets are selling the goods openly and legitimately, that the purchase of these goods is also legal, and not anything to do with the police.

https://www.eveningexpress.co.uk/news/u ... s-flouted/

Think you are correct, Adam.

[adam2]

Do the police also propose to search supermarket delivery vehicles in order to ensure that deliveries contain only "necessary and legitimate items"

[Mean Mr Mustard II]

Looks like the neighbouring Plod will have to wind his neck in. Graun live feed -

“We have given them a job to do. They will use their own discretion about how they best do that job,� the spokesman said.

“The powers which we have given the police are there to save lives. The police have our full backing and they have the public’s backing too. They have set out in advice to officers that they should engage, explain and finally enforce.�

However, asked about a warning by Northamptonshire police chief constable Nick Adderley that police could start searching shopping trolleys for non-essential purchases, the spokesman said: “Shops that are still open are free to sell any items they have in stock.�

[Bedrock Barney]

If it's all about protecting the NHS how about trying to reduce demand on the NHS - no smoking, less drinking, stop eating shit food and take more exercise? But I'm sure that would be harder than standing on your doorstep every Thursday evening and banging pots and pans.

Absolutely. The hypocrisies are immense (and were so before the virus appeared).

[UndercoverElephant]

Do the police also propose to search supermarket delivery vehicles in order to ensure that deliveries contain only "necessary and legitimate items"

This is absurd. The police surely have better things to do.

[kenneal - lagger]

Do the police also propose to search supermarket delivery vehicles in order to ensure that deliveries contain only "necessary and legitimate items"

This is absurd. The police surely have better things to do.

Probably not because the crime rate is well down apart from domestic abuse and they probably don't want to get involved in that. The other crime increasing is cyber crime and the average plod can't do anything about that either.

There's virtually no traffic so the traffic police have nothing to do so you can expect a traffic car to intercept you and your supermarket trolley as you push it through the car park on your way to your vehicle. The devil finds work for idle hands!!

[Vortex2]

Do the police also propose to search supermarket delivery vehicles in order to ensure that deliveries contain only "necessary and legitimate items"

This is absurd. The police surely have better things to do.

Probably not because the crime rate is well down apart from domestic abuse and they probably don't want to get involved in that. The other crime increasing is cyber crime and the average plod can't do anything about that either.

There's virtually no traffic so the traffic police have nothing to do so you can expect a traffic car to intercept you and your supermarket trolley as you push it through the car park on your way to your vehicle. The devil finds work for idle hands!!

We are certainly seeing a lot more police car patrols around our rural area.

[kenneal - lagger]

The EU is going to go bust by this time next year. We need to be finished with any negotiations yesterday otherwise we are going to be on the hook for Christ knows what liabilities.

On the hook? The tealeaves are suggesting UK might be one of, if not the most badly affected country in Europe. We'll be in need of EU help rather than vice versa.

Chris, we can print our own money to pay our way out of this crisis and are doing that. The Eurozone countries have to wait for the ECB to print money for them and that is being prevented by the Germans who are still haunted by the hyper inflation of the 20s and 30s which bought Hitler to power. We are in a hugely different situation now but Germany is still saying "Nein" (or is it Nien?) as they resent what they see as them having to "bail out" their profligate Latin neighbours.

We have no need for Europe in this crisis although sharing the burden in a neighbourly way will help us all. We should leave, as promised, at the end of the year, deal or no deal, and we will be just a little further away from the fall out that will hit Europe when the pandemic has run its course. Being under no obligation to bale out the failing European economic system could save us a fortune although I am away that we will still see some economic hardship due to the failure of our neighbour.

[Vortex2]

1.5 million global officially recorded cases now reached.

Real total is clearly much higher.

(1m to 1.5m took 6 days)

[kenneal - lagger]

Here's a petition that our US contributors and lurkers might want to sign to stop their poorer neighbours having their water cut off during the pandemic.

The U.S. House of Representatives proposed a third COVID-19 stimulus package that included a ban on utility shutoffs during the pandemic and allocated $1.5 billion to help pay low-income families’ water bills. Unfortunately, the Senate version, which ultimately got signed into law, left out these crucial pieces.

Isn't it "Christian" right Republicans who control the Senate?

[vtsnowedin]

Here's a petition that our US contributors and lurkers might want to sign to stop their poorer neighbours having their water cut off during the pandemic.

The U.S. House of Representatives proposed a third COVID-19 stimulus package that included a ban on utility shutoffs during the pandemic and allocated $1.5 billion to help pay low-income families’ water bills. Unfortunately, the Senate version, which ultimately got signed into law, left out these crucial pieces.

Isn't it "Christian" right Republicans who control the Senate?

Most states have banned shutoffs and evictions for the duration. The extra unemployment benefits plus the $1200/+500/child should cover the bills.
There is a hole in the bill passed that stiffs teenagers and college students claimed as dependents. I complained to Bernie's office about that one.

[Vortex2]

US deaths :

Is there any way whatsoever that only 60k will die in the US?

Can't see it being that small myself.

(430k cases has yielded 14.8k deaths so far. The deaths will be an underestimate, once you take in home deaths and care home deaths. Even if 20x hidden cases exist i.e. 8.6M cases, that still leaves 37 x more waves of the population to encounter the virus.

37 x 14.8 = 547k of deaths to come.

That would have to be reduced by 90% to avoid a huge death count.

Only a vaccination or some magic medication arriving very soon would allow that 90% reduction.

Have I missed something obvious?

[Vortex2]

Just heard of Normalcy Bias ...

It explains a lot of what we are seeing.

Whenever a natural disaster hits the survivors can usually be divided into two groups: Those who prepared ahead of time, and those that didn’t. The people who don’t prepare usually operate under the mindset that everything is going to be fine, and nothing bad is really going to happen. They underestimate the effect of natural disasters no matter how many warnings are flashed before their eyes. This denial of the possible danger during a disaster is known as Normalcy Bias.

[adam2]

Do the police also propose to search supermarket delivery vehicles in order to ensure that deliveries contain only "necessary and legitimate items"

This is absurd. The police surely have better things to do.

Not certain that they do.
Road traffic is much reduced, thereby reducing the opportunities to persecute motorists, er sorry, promote road safety.
With pubs and clubs closed there are fewer drunken fights to deal with.
With some shops closed there must be fewer shoplifters to deal with.

So what is better than "saving lives and protecting the NHS" by stopping people for purchasing Easter eggs, barbecues, beer, inflatable paddling pools, and any other items that the police deem to be not "necessary and legitimate"

[Lord Beria3]

Two excellent WSWS articles today:

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2020/0 ... d-a09.html

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2020/0 ... e-a09.html