New coronavirus in/from China

[Little John]

It's easy for people living on smallholdings, or large houses with big gardens to moan about people ignoring the "curfew" but imagine being cooped up with your spouse and teenaged, bored kids in a flat with no garden, for weeks. Horrible.

Obviously there are risks to the population when people venture out, but there are also risks in keeping people bottled up - creating an environment that could have serious implications for those peoples relationships, permanently.

People may start to regard their inner-city flat as a prison cell rather than a home - that's really damaging to peoples quality of life.

I agree, and for the reasons given above, I would slightly relax and clarify the rules as follows.
"Anyone may visit public open spaces for the purposes of rest, relaxation, or exercise, without limit on number of visits, or time spent on each visit, subject to the following.
1) Social distancing of at least 2 meters to be maintained, except for persons of the same household.
2) Travel to and from the public open space must be on foot, by bicycle, or by other human powered transport. Use of public transport or motor vehicles is prohibited for travel to or from public open spaces.
3) Any pre-existing rules, regulations, and byelaws applicable to the public open space remain unaltered."

Explanatory notes for lawyers, pedants, and PCSOs.
"public open spaces" includes private property to which the public are admitted by permission, examples include parks and gardens owned by the National Trust.
"Public open spaces" includes beaches, foreshores and similar places to which the public customarily have access.
"Public open spaces" does NOT include buildings to which the public customarily have access, such as railway stations.

Yep. Sounds reasonable.

[boisdevie]

Looks like the lockdown will be extended. Does the government actually have a long term plan at all?

[PS_RalphW]

Looking at the world picture the virus is going in waves, or more accurately regions. China was the first wave, and they have brought it under control for now. The developed world is the second wave, spread by aviation, and most countries now have lockdown and the logarithmic plots suggest we are beginning to get control. The third wave will be the third world. Transmission is slower because travel is much more limited, but control will be almost impossible. The extent will not show up in the numbers because very few cases will be counted. Also there are relatively few people in the third world who live to 70+ so the overall death rates will be lower

[UndercoverElephant]

Looks like the lockdown will be extended. Does the government actually have a long term plan at all?

I don't see any evidence of one.

[UndercoverElephant]

The EU is going to go bust by this time next year. We need to be finished with any negotiations yesterday otherwise we are going to be on the hook for Christ knows what liabilities.

On the hook? The tealeaves are suggesting UK might be one of, if not the most badly affected country in Europe. We'll be in need of EU help rather than vice versa.

We need the help of a collapsing international organisation? What do we need their help for?

The EU has been invisible during this crisis.

[Mean Mr Mustard II]

Looking at the world picture the virus is going in waves, or more accurately regions. China was the first wave, and they have brought it under control for now. The developed world is the second wave, spread by aviation, and most countries now have lockdown and the logarithmic plots suggest we are beginning to get control. The third wave will be the third world. Transmission is slower because travel is much more limited, but control will be almost impossible. The extent will not show up in the numbers because very few cases will be counted. Also there are relatively few people in the third world who live to 70+ so the overall death rates will be lower

Much uncontrolled spread through slums and there being few hospitals and next to no ICUs would suggest far higher fatalities across the third world.

[stumuz1]

On the hook? The tealeaves are suggesting UK might be one of, if not the most badly affected country in Europe. We'll be in need of EU help rather than vice versa.

Any evidence? Financial of course.

The rest of the EU, France included, are asking for Germany ' TO GIVE THEM MONEY'

Germany are saying politely,

"Nien darling, nein.

The money we are spending now on the pandemic is being printed out of thin air.

So are you suggesting we will get the begging bowl out and start asking to borrow Euros?

[Mark]

This is an airborne virus. I have been suprmarket shopping 3 times in the last 2 weeks. Everytime after, I have a throat tickle and mucus/sinus for 1/2 a day. That is not hay fever - we are close to countryside. If that had been a heavy inoculation I would be sick.

I get that feeling too - I can almost taste it when I go to the local shop, although mine only lasts for a short time, not 1/2 a day.
I also think that the actual viral load plays a big part in this - explains why a surprising number of relatively fit/healthy young people in certain jobs (healthcare, transport etc.) seem to be dying ?
I'm trying not to catch it like everyone else, but my (probably flawed) logic is that I'm getting an extremely small dose every week or so and my body is slowly getting used to it....?

[fuzzy]

This is an airborne virus. I have been suprmarket shopping 3 times in the last 2 weeks. Everytime after, I have a throat tickle and mucus/sinus for 1/2 a day. That is not hay fever - we are close to countryside. If that had been a heavy inoculation I would be sick.

I get that feeling too - I can almost taste it when I go to the local shop, although mine only lasts for a short time, not 1/2 a day.
I also think that the actual viral load plays a big part in this - explains why a surprising number of relatively fit/healthy young people in certain jobs (healthcare, transport etc.) seem to be dying ?
I'm trying not to catch it like everyone else, but my (probably flawed) logic is that I'm getting an extremely small dose every week or so and my body is slowly getting used to it....?

This is interesting data - and not in a good way:

https://amp-scmp-com.cdn.ampproject.org ... 4555&csi=1

[stumuz1]

I get that feeling too - I can almost taste it when I go to the local shop, although mine only lasts for a short time, not 1/2 a day.
I also think that the actual viral load plays a big part in this - explains why a surprising number of relatively fit/healthy young people in certain jobs (healthcare, transport etc.) seem to be dying ?
I'm trying not to catch it like everyone else, but my (probably flawed) logic is that I'm getting an extremely small dose every week or so and my body is slowly getting used to it....?

I've been getting the same thoughts. For me it's supermarkets. Bit of a sore throat for half an hour afterwards.
I've put it down to psychosomatics, but who knows.

[Vortex2]

This is an airborne virus. I have been suprmarket shopping 3 times in the last 2 weeks. Everytime after, I have a throat tickle and mucus/sinus for 1/2 a day. That is not hay fever - we are close to countryside. If that had been a heavy inoculation I would be sick.

I get that feeling too - I can almost taste it when I go to the local shop, although mine only lasts for a short time, not 1/2 a day.
I also think that the actual viral load plays a big part in this - explains why a surprising number of relatively fit/healthy young people in certain jobs (healthcare, transport etc.) seem to be dying ?
I'm trying not to catch it like everyone else, but my (probably flawed) logic is that I'm getting an extremely small dose every week or so and my body is slowly getting used to it....?

This is interesting data - and not in a good way:

https://amp-scmp-com.cdn.ampproject.org ... 4555&csi=1

Yep - apparently this virus can invade cells in such a way as to reduce immunity.

[boisdevie]

If it's all about protecting the NHS how about trying to reduce demand on the NHS - no smoking, less drinking, stop eating shit food and take more exercise? But I'm sure that would be harder than standing on your doorstep every Thursday evening and banging pots and pans.

[Mean Mr Mustard II]

Northants Police Chief:

...the force may have to resort to more extreme measures such as road blocks and searching shopping trolleys should people continue to break the rules.

Where this leads...

Good Morning Your Warship

The dodgy looking miscreant who stands before you was found to be in possession of two bottles of cider, a family pack of twiglets and a half-eaten kitkat. We have reason to believe the bread, milk and eggs were only purchased as cover for these outrageous fripperies. Accordingly, we recommend a punitive fine be imposed which can't be paid, leading to infested jail time to serve as a salutary warning.

Definitely now in the middle of that Venn diagram with LJ.

[fuzzy]

http://www.dronesurvivalguide.org/

You can't be too careful in Derbyshire..

[adam2]

Northamptonshire police warn that they are "days away from searching supermarket trolleys" to ensure that purchases are "necessary and legitimate"

And what sorts of goods will they be prohibiting ?
It seems to me that if supermarkets are selling the goods openly and legitimately, that the purchase of these goods is also legal, and not anything to do with the police.

https://www.eveningexpress.co.uk/news/u ... s-flouted/