New coronavirus in/from China

vtsnowedin · Post by **vtsnowedin** » 23 Mar 2020, 23:29

Vortex2 wrote:Wife wore a mask (FPP2) & gloves when shopping today.

Only one doing it.

She was embarrassed - but said that it was better than dying.

Good for her. You have chosen a wife wisely.

PS_RalphW · Post by **PS_RalphW** » 23 Mar 2020, 23:54

Home and hardware shops? With everybody at home looking at the tatty wallpaper, these will be the next viral breakout route with millions queuing for paint and nails

ReserveGrowthRulz · Post by **ReserveGrowthRulz** » 24 Mar 2020, 00:30

Mark wrote:
ReserveGrowthRulz wrote:
Vortex2 wrote:Sky news interview ...

suggests that policing of crimes is now on the backburner ....

... time to lock-and load ... (where legal of course)
Break out the BB guns!!!
For all our issues, I'd prefer UK gun laws and the NHS any day to your dog eat dog 'Septic Tank' society.....

I understand.

I also understand that your understanding of our laws was so ignorant the last time you pretended to understand them, you thought the things were just handed out like popcorn at the movies because there were no laws stopping it!

Mark wrote: There will be no winners in this, but let's see who comes out of this the best....

Sure...you bring your favorite dinner knife to one side of the kitchen table, and I'll bring my legally owned greatest close quarters combat weapon of the 20th century to the other side, and we'll see how KenNeal's standard confrontation scenario works out....

Post by **kenneal - lagger** » 24 Mar 2020, 01:57

ReserveGrowthRulz wrote:,,.............

Sure...you bring your favorite dinner knife to one side of the kitchen table, and I'll bring my legally owned greatest close quarters combat weapon of the 20th century to the other side, and we'll see how KenNeal's standard confrontation scenario works out....

Thankfully that scenario is highly unlikely to occur in the UK because we have sensible attitudes to gun ownership.

Little John · Post by **Little John** » 24 Mar 2020, 02:09

When this is all over America wont be f***ing anyone else up for a long, long time. America is about to face the kind of collapse experienced by the Russians at the end of the Cold War. But, minus their cultural resilience. It will be carnage.

Even our own eminently sensible Dr Cambell in the UK is now acknowledging that when time adjusted for the fact that those people dying today were part of the cohort of infected from, at the very least, those who were infected 2 weeks ago (but quite possibly a greater number of weeks ago given that it can take more than two weeks to die following the onset of symptoms), the real CFR for this virus, when your health service collapses, is much higher than the headline one that is being published. This is because the headline CFR is being erroneously based on the number of infected as of today.

Meaning the CFR, in the US, which already had a dysfunctional healthcare system prior to this crisis, is going to be around 6% or higher. Possibly much higher.

With the way the USA ruling class is mishandling the crisis, they are potentially looking at millions dead. Quite possibly more than 8 million (given at least 5% of infections are critical and need ICU to not die).

Add in to that the fact that the United States of Pant-Shitters feels the need to have a gun for every citizen to protect themselves from each other, you can probably add another million or so to that total in the ensuing social breakdown that will follow.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-60EvBS ... ture=share

I should just add to all of the above, that the problem with mass gun ownership in America is not mass gun ownership. It is Americans. Or, rather, the diseased American culture they have all grown up in and have been indoctrinated in from birth.

ReserveGrowthRulz · Post by **ReserveGrowthRulz** » 24 Mar 2020, 02:10

kenneal - lagger wrote:
ReserveGrowthRulz wrote:,,.............

Sure...you bring your favorite dinner knife to one side of the kitchen table, and I'll bring my legally owned greatest close quarters combat weapon of the 20th century to the other side, and we'll see how KenNeal's standard confrontation scenario works out....

Thankfully that scenario is highly unlikely to occur in the UK because we have sensible attitudes to gun ownership.

Indeed! Your government thanks you for your cooperation!

And Ben Franklin had this one covered even before there was an America for it to apply to!

â€œThey that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
- Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759

Post by **adam2** » 24 Mar 2020, 04:49

PS_RalphW wrote:Home and hardware shops? With everybody at home looking at the tatty wallpaper, these will be the next viral breakout route with millions queuing for paint and nails

"Home and hardware shops are permitted to remain open" according to this report.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52012432

Post by **adam2** » 24 Mar 2020, 05:01

Meanwhile Sports Direct have stated that they intend to remain open.
Obviously you cant expect people to remain fit and healthy without the very latest products.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52011915

Or more cynically, sports shoes were a major target of looters and rioters in previous riots. So the company might hope to sell as much stock as possible before the riots start.

Edit about 09-15 on Tuesday to add, they have now done a u turn and wont open "until they get government permission"

Mean Mr Mustard II · Post by **Mean Mr Mustard II** » 24 Mar 2020, 06:59

Won't somebody think of the Murican economy?

Sacrifice your granny for the 1%!

https://twitter.com/ndrew_lawrence/stat ... 5129346050

fuzzy · Post by **fuzzy** » 24 Mar 2020, 07:13

Vortex2 wrote:Caution - check reviews if ordering masks and respirators on Amerzone.

Chinese companies are quoting long deliveries ... or short deliveries ... but then don't deliver.

Check the reviews!

No regulars here should be ordering desperate supplies from China now - what have we been talking about since ebola?

UndercoverElephant · Post by **UndercoverElephant** » 24 Mar 2020, 07:56

PS_RalphW wrote:Home and hardware shops? With everybody at home looking at the tatty wallpaper, these will be the next viral breakout route with millions queuing for paint and nails

Yep. We now have the same problem with whatever stays open.

UndercoverElephant · Post by **UndercoverElephant** » 24 Mar 2020, 07:59

I am now strongly veering towards the opinion that the CFR is well below 1%. I think a hell of a lot of people have got this virus already, and that the infection rate has been under-estimated pretty much everywhere.

Also my father-in-law is in the firing line. Has to have care all day after a stroke several years ago, and the family of one of the carers has got the virus.

Little John · Post by **Little John** » 24 Mar 2020, 08:13

UndercoverElephant wrote:I am now strongly veering towards the opinion that the CFR is well below 1%. I think a hell of a lot of people have got this virus already, and that the infection rate has been under-estimated pretty much everywhere.

Also my father-in-law is in the firing line. Has to have care all day after a stroke several years ago, and the family of one of the carers has got the virus.

I hope you are right UE. Can you explain in detail why you think this.

fuzzy · Post by **fuzzy** » 24 Mar 2020, 08:44

I suspect I had it in February. Of course they were wittering about dry coughs and fever - nope.
Now they tell us 'continual headaches, sore eyes, lethargy, painful joints, stomach pains' I had those. That's when I found out why I can't have 80p Ranitadine in poundstretchers anymore.
It is so under the radar that spread is inevitable.

UndercoverElephant · Post by **UndercoverElephant** » 24 Mar 2020, 08:59

Little John wrote:
UndercoverElephant wrote:I am now strongly veering towards the opinion that the CFR is well below 1%. I think a hell of a lot of people have got this virus already, and that the infection rate has been under-estimated pretty much everywhere.

I hope you are right UE. Can you explain in detail why you think this.

Not easily. It just seems like the number of people being infected - both famous people and just people I happen to know (of) - are much higher than I would expect, given the current official statistic. It also looks like this disease was spreading in Italy undetected for quite a long time, and that it may have been spreading in the UK largely undetected for longer than most people realise.

It isn't any single factor that is leading me to conclude this - rather just a general feeling based on all of the information I'm trying to assimilate. It looks as if the vast majority of reasonably healthy people, at least those who don't start off with a very high initial viral load, just get a cough (or almost no symptoms). If they get a high load then the disease can overwhelm their body before their immune system gets going, and if they have underlying conditions then their immune system never gets going. In both cases, those people end up with pneumonia, from which most people don't recover without ventilation.

It looks like the mild form of the disease is extremely infectious but not dangerous.