New coronavirus in/from China

Vortex2 · Post by **Vortex2** » 22 Mar 2020, 21:56

A couple of points:

* New York and Italy will be giving us an example of what to expect.

* We 'preppers' don't need to survive for 20 years on our stores ... just a week or so longer than the main part of the population.

* Whatever happens, we are now in the end game. We should know which way the UK is going health wise & economically within about four weeks. Hopefully we all have enough food etc to cover that period.

One point : look to your security - parents with young families - and others of course - will do ANYTHING to feed them if times get tough.

Be prepared!

Post by **clv101** » 22 Mar 2020, 21:59

Little John wrote:(a) we are massively overpopulated and consequently have to import nearly 60% of our food and an even greater percentage of our energy. A portion of which is used to produce the 40% percent here at home.

(b) Our main source of income in this country is now tertiary activities like money handling for the rest of the world. Thus, our capacity to feed ourselves is inextricably tied to those activities

(c) The capitalist global system has been on life support since 2008 and so this was the push it took to finally put it fully on it's arse

(d) when the above happens, our economy will be utterly screwed.

This virus is merely the trigger of the next big step down in the Long Emergency

Spot on. We all know the system is unsustainable, collapse is inevitable. What was always unclear was the mechanism and timing. Looks like it's viral pandemic and 2020.

If not this it would have been something else, simultaneous multiple bread basket failure, global financial crisis, big volcano or earthquake in the wrong place, freak chemical/biological pollution, one of the multiple local/regional conflicts pulling in bigger powers and expanding, energy/resource crunch, major solar flare, significant asteroid, a *really* bad nuclear accident...

As it happens, viral pandemic was top of the National Risk Register. It was the most likely high impact event.

No one should be surprised.

boisdevie · Post by **boisdevie** » 22 Mar 2020, 22:00

Vortex2 wrote:
One point : look to your security - parents with young families - and others of course - will do ANYTHING to feed them if times get tough.

Be prepared!

I'm already wondering whether I should hide some of my food in the engine bay of the boat. Or take a midnight kayak trip and bury some stuff.

Post by **clv101** » 22 Mar 2020, 22:04

One challenge we had today was the consumption of a turkey stag. 9.2kg in the oven... big meal for our small family! We delivered Sunday lunch to our self isolating neighbours.

Little John · Post by **Little John** » 22 Mar 2020, 22:05

boisdevie wrote:
Vortex2 wrote:
One point : look to your security - parents with young families - and others of course - will do ANYTHING to feed them if times get tough.

Be prepared!
I'm already wondering whether I should hide some of my food in the engine bay of the boat. Or take a midnight kayak trip and bury some stuff.

It should not be visible to the public I would say. It's just going to rub people's noses in it who have not got enough. It is shit beyond description that it should come to this. But it has. And that's that.

Vortex2 · Post by **Vortex2** » 22 Mar 2020, 22:07

boisdevie wrote:
Vortex2 wrote:
One point : look to your security - parents with young families - and others of course - will do ANYTHING to feed them if times get tough.

Be prepared!
I'm already wondering whether I should hide some of my food in the engine bay of the boat. Or take a midnight kayak trip and bury some stuff.

Good point : leave say 10% out for the looters with the rest tucked away.

Bedrock Barney · Post by **Bedrock Barney** » 22 Mar 2020, 22:10

Just as a counterpoint to the latest posts, I headed out early this morning (around 8am). Got some cash out as per my earlier post. I also called in at Tesco and Co-op store in the centre of town and both were 95% stocked. I was the only person in both shops. Bought some loo rolls, bread flour, bananas, green veg, beer and wine.

By contrast had a quick look inside a large Waitrose yesterday evening and it had been decimated.

The small tesco and co-op both walking destinations rather than by car. Perhaps that explains the difference? Probably also the time of day?

If need be in coming days, I will get up early and get to the local Tesco at 6am. Quick in and out (hopefully with no one about), self scan and then hand wash back at home.

leroy · Post by **leroy** » 22 Mar 2020, 22:12

Well, I'm back to work tomorrow a l'hopital. Going to be too tired/demoralised to keep attentive to this fine forum from now on. In the coming days or weeks my physical and/or mental health will collapse and there won't be any safety net. I have sound self-deliverance methods in place. I never wanted to hang around for anarchy or deep economic depression anyway.

Just wanted to say that it has been a pleasure reading the thoughts of and interacting with you guys over the years. Best wishes for the uncertain future.

In the end, we are all stardust, to which we shall return.

Vortex2 · Post by **Vortex2** » 22 Mar 2020, 22:18

leroy wrote:Well, I'm back to work tomorrow a l'hopital. Going to be too tired/demoralised to keep attentive to this fine forum from now on. In the coming days or weeks my physical and/or mental health will collapse and there won't be any safety net. I have sound self-deliverance methods in place. I never wanted to hang around for anarchy or deep economic depression anyway.

Just wanted to say that it has been a pleasure reading the thoughts of and interacting with you guys over the years. Best wishes for the uncertain future.

In the end, we are all stardust, to which we shall return.

Take a breather - PM if you want a chat.

Little John · Post by **Little John** » 22 Mar 2020, 22:20

My missus has her first shift back on at the hospital after a week's annual leave. Their covid ward is nearly full already. Staff are preparing for a shitstorm in the coming week.

Vortex2 · Post by **Vortex2** » 22 Mar 2020, 22:23

Wild thought : a charismatic leader aged say 30 or 40 could reclaim control of the state at the expense of the old people at risk.

leroy · Post by **leroy** » 22 Mar 2020, 22:42

Vortex2 wrote:Wild thought : a charismatic leader aged say 30 or 40 could reclaim control of the state at the expense of the old people at risk.

Thanks for the offer of a chat Vortex. I'm okay, cheers though.

I have long thought that a Maoist style Red Guard is on the cards at some point: channeling the anger of the young against the profligacy of the old(er) as things come to pass.

leroy · Post by **leroy** » 22 Mar 2020, 22:49

Little John wrote:My missus has her first shift back on at the hospital after a week's annual leave. Their covid ward is nearly full already. Staff are preparing for a shitstorm in the coming week.

I certainly know that we have some tough nurses and HCAs out there. I unfortunately am not sure how much I can personally take. Yeah we have one of them too - a 'covid ward'. *shudders*

vtsnowedin · Post by **vtsnowedin** » 23 Mar 2020, 00:42

Little John wrote: (b) Our main source of income in this country is now tertiary activities like money handling for the rest of the world. Thus, our capacity to feed ourselves is inextricably tied to those activities

That is often quoted especially for the UK but I have to wonder how much of the UK economy is people doing the everyday things for other people. Transporting goods to the stores. energy to your home and vehicles, maintenance of your housing, educating your children, and your healthcare system. In the US they now say the healthcare industry alone amounts to twenty percent of the economy. Take all the stock brokers and money changers out of the "city" down in London and I think you still have plenty of economy left and profits made in every sector.

Post by **kenneal - lagger** » 23 Mar 2020, 02:55

The problem is, VT, that we import 50% of our food and we need foreign exchange to pay for it. The internal economy doesn't provide that.