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clv101 wrote:
Vortex2 wrote:If New York takes a major hit it will become THE story of all time ... you know how the Americans and their media are.
Absolutely - New York is set to displace Italy as the top news story by the end of the month, as Italy displaced China.
If you can make it there, you can make it anywhere, apparently.
When you're dealing with exponential growth, the time to act is when it feels too early.
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clv101 wrote:
Vortex2 wrote:If New York takes a major hit it will become THE story of all time ... you know how the Americans and their media are.
Absolutely - New York is set to displace Italy as the top news story by the end of the month, as Italy displaced China.
By the end of OUR month we will have 50k cases reported, 1.5M -2M real infections.
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My wife has just realised that we are in REALLY deep do-do.

She is going out for one final shopping run tomorrow.

Luckily we have anti-viral foam (totally unobtainable for weeks) and a few FPP2 masks so she will go out with mask and gloves.

Not sure what she will find 'tho.
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UndercoverElephant wrote:Massive queue to get into Tesco in Shrewsbury:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvUoJ7i ... e=youtu.be

We need rationing. This is only going to get worse.
At our nearest Asda, yesterday, as I was filling up for petrol at 7am, there was a massive queue - as in hundreds of people - outside waiting for it to open.
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My wife spent the day making a face mask with HEPA filter material in it to wear to her office next week. I made an apple pie.
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kenneal - lagger wrote:The local Curries has run out of freezers including the display models. In a year or so we will be able to replace our broken one for virtually nothing as sheeple forget why they bought theirs and want the space for more consumer tat.
We have deliberately used up all of our freezer food and now have all food stored in dried, pickled and canned format. I am fully expecting rolling power cuts either on the back of the level of sickness during the virus outbreak itself. Or, on the back of the economic depression that is gong to hit the West following it.
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TPTB state or imply that food shortages are entirely due to panic buying.
This may or may not be true.

Is there any reliable data on food supplies INTO supermarkets ? Has there actually been a reduction or not.
I refer here not to possible future shortfalls, but to the present and very recent past situation.
Something like how many tons of canned food have been delivered to supermarkets in say the last four weeks, and is this more less than in the same period last year.
Likewise for fresh produce, and for dried goods.
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Little John wrote:
kenneal - lagger wrote:The local Curries has run out of freezers including the display models. In a year or so we will be able to replace our broken one for virtually nothing as sheeple forget why they bought theirs and want the space for more consumer tat.
We have deliberately used up all of our freezer food and now have all food stored in dried, pickled and canned format. I am fully expecting rolling power cuts either on the back of the level of sickness during the virus outbreak itself. Or, on the back of the economic depression that is gong to hit the West following it.
How can this go all Mad Max because a stack of already sick pensioners die of a super-flu?
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adam2 wrote:TPTB state or imply that food shortages are entirely due to panic buying.
This may or may not be true.

Is there any reliable data on food supplies INTO supermarkets ? Has there actually been a reduction or not.
I refer here not to possible future shortfalls, but to the present and very recent past situation.
Something like how many tons of canned food have been delivered to supermarkets in say the last four weeks, and is this more less than in the same period last year.
Likewise for fresh produce, and for dried goods.
See this: https://medium.com/@AlexHeffron88/coron ... 9b9ea4e1ea
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Vortex2 wrote:How can this go all Mad Max because a stack of already sick pensioners die of a super-flu?
This narrative might gain traction in coming weeks. Is it worth it?, the under 50s will be asking.
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Vortex2 wrote:
Little John wrote:
kenneal - lagger wrote:The local Curries has run out of freezers including the display models. In a year or so we will be able to replace our broken one for virtually nothing as sheeple forget why they bought theirs and want the space for more consumer tat.
We have deliberately used up all of our freezer food and now have all food stored in dried, pickled and canned format. I am fully expecting rolling power cuts either on the back of the level of sickness during the virus outbreak itself. Or, on the back of the economic depression that is gong to hit the West following it.
How can this go all Mad Max because a stack of already sick pensioners die of a super-flu?
Easy.

(a) we are massively overpopulated and consequently have to import nearly 60% of our food and an even greater percentage of our energy. A portion of which is used to produce the 40% percent here at home.

(b) Our main source of income in this country is now tertiary activities like money handling for the rest of the world. Thus, our capacity to feed ourselves is inextricably tied to those activities

(c) The capitalist global system has been on life support since 2008 and so this was the push it took to finally put it fully on it's arse

(d) when the above happens, our economy will be utterly screwed.

This virus is merely the trigger of the next big step down in the Long Emergency
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clv101 wrote:
Vortex2 wrote:How can this go all Mad Max because a stack of already sick pensioners die of a super-flu?
This narrative might gain traction in coming weeks. Is it worth it?, the under 50s will be asking.
It doesn't matter either way. Either way, the world economy is f***ed over this. Try and slow it down and the globalist capitalist system will collapse and be replaced.

Let it rip and the globalist capitalist system will be violently overthrown

It's over.
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One good aspect of all this: If a freaking metrosexual with purple hair, silver boots and a local council job as 'Diversity Director' demands a unisex toilet door during all this, they will find that the world has changed.
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Little John wrote:
UndercoverElephant wrote:Massive queue to get into Tesco in Shrewsbury:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvUoJ7i ... e=youtu.be

We need rationing. This is only going to get worse.
At our nearest Asda, yesterday, as I was filling up for petrol at 7am, there was a massive queue - as in hundreds of people - outside waiting for it to open.
So we are now getting to the point where certain groups of people - not just the old and vulnerable but people who have limited opportunity to visit a supermarket - will be unable to obtain basic food and grocery items. How long is this going to go on for? People are just going to get more and more worried. Shopping is now also the most dangerous activity most people do, it takes twice as long as normal, and the supermarkets are rammed.
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UndercoverElephant wrote:
Little John wrote:
UndercoverElephant wrote:Massive queue to get into Tesco in Shrewsbury:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvUoJ7i ... e=youtu.be

We need rationing. This is only going to get worse.
At our nearest Asda, yesterday, as I was filling up for petrol at 7am, there was a massive queue - as in hundreds of people - outside waiting for it to open.
So we are now getting to the point where certain groups of people - not just the old and vulnerable but people who have limited opportunity to visit a supermarket - will be unable to obtain basic food and grocery items. How long is this going to go on for? People are just going to get more and more worried. Shopping is now also the most dangerous activity most people do, it takes twice as long as normal, and the supermarkets are rammed.
That's laissez faire globalist capitalism for you. We all got the memo. We all know the score now.

Good, innit

And, let's be honest, most of people's attitude to prepping on here are informed by that same laissez faire capitalism. It's why most people's cupboards on this board will be full enough to last them for months. It only surprises me that anyone should be surprised when the "plebs" cotton on, albeit a little late to the party.
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