New coronavirus in/from China

[Vortex2]

Has this already been posted? Italian hospital ..

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/coronavi ... viruslinks

[vtsnowedin]

Sad part is that the socialist measures both countries are rushing to put in place will also fail at stopping the virus which can't read political doctrine and cares not how you voted. Only evolution and survival of the fittest will finally bring this virus down to a level we can deal with as like all pathogens it is environmentally unwise to kill all your hosts before you have reproduced and moved on to the next host.

Nobody is claiming lock downs will stop the eventual level of infection. The purpose of lock downs is to stop millions of people dying by limiting the number of infected at any one time.

You've got two choice V.

Let this thing blow through unimpeded and save your precious capitalist system. Except, you wont because you will have a revolution on your hands following the deaths of 8 million folks.

Or, enact a pulsed release strategy and in doing so save the most lives. But, this will be so damaging to the capitalist system that the only way to save it is via socialist policies.

Choices... choices....

There is a middle road there and American politicians are taking it. They are rapidly passing emergency measures to get people and the economy through the immediate future but most will lapse after the crisis has passed. Perhaps we will end up with a more regulated capitalism which I have seen as needed for years.
I have heard no serious capitalist sound a Scrooge like "let them reduce the excess population" but a couple of wall street wonks are arguing about income giveaways and payroll tax cuts. Those debates are not without merit as the proposal to give every American $1200 or some other amount makes no sense to me who will not miss an income check and I certainly don't want college presidents making over a million a year getting a check.

[UndercoverElephant]

https://www.eurasiagroup.net/files/uplo ... -170187901

Interesting report on the geopolitics of it.

Yes. There was already all sorts of stuff bubbling under the surface of global geopolitics, and this has blown the lid off. The global monetary system won't survive this. I think China and Russia will get together to set up an alternative gold-backed monetary system, leaving the US to deal with a fiat currency meltdown.

There's also a worst-case scenario for the US which literally flattens it. Imagine that they try quite hard to contain the virus, but only succeed in slowing it down, so the crisis is still ongoing in August. Then imagine that this year's annual up-ratchet in climate change is supercharged by a big drop in global dimming, leading to an extra 0.5C warming over the summer. Come September, the US is then likely to be hit by several really big hurricanes - the worst hurricane season ever, by some margin. At which point any attempt to contain the virus will fail.

The US is totally f***ed. The New American Century lasted 19 years.

The UK is also in massive trouble, given our dependence on dodgy financial services.

[vtsnowedin]

There's also a worst-case scenario for the US which literally flattens it. Imagine that they try quite hard to contain the virus, but only succeed in slowing it down, so the crisis is still ongoing in August. Then imagine that this year's annual up-ratchet in climate change is supercharged by a big drop in global dimming, leading to an extra 0.5C warming over the summer. Come September, the US is then likely to be hit by several really big hurricanes - the worst hurricane season ever, by some margin. At which point any attempt to contain the virus will fail.

The US is totally f***ed. The New American Century lasted 19 years.

The UK is also in massive trouble, given our dependence on dodgy financial services.

I must say that south east UK is just as F***ed as the US.
But perhaps all this staying at home with factories closed will cause a good climate change summer. Look at the canals in Venice where without the tourist boats churning up the bottom mud are as clear blue as they have been in decades.

[Little John]

There's also a worst-case scenario for the US which literally flattens it. Imagine that they try quite hard to contain the virus, but only succeed in slowing it down, so the crisis is still ongoing in August. Then imagine that this year's annual up-ratchet in climate change is supercharged by a big drop in global dimming, leading to an extra 0.5C warming over the summer. Come September, the US is then likely to be hit by several really big hurricanes - the worst hurricane season ever, by some margin. At which point any attempt to contain the virus will fail.

The US is totally f***ed. The New American Century lasted 19 years.

The UK is also in massive trouble, given our dependence on dodgy financial services.

I must say that south east UK is just as F***ed as the US.
But perhaps all this staying at home with factories closed will cause a good climate change summer. Look at the canals in Venice where without the tourist boats churning up the bottom mud are as clear blue as they have been in decades.

The UK is in worse trouble than the US I reckon. At least you lot can still feed yourselves, if push came to shove.

And I reckon push will come to shove a lot sooner than many realize.

[adam2]

It would seem that Christmas is being brought forward.
Harmless I suppose.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-51976856

[UndercoverElephant]

It would seem that Christmas is being brought forward.
Harmless I suppose.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-51976856

Looks pathetic and desperate to me.

[Mean Mr Mustard II]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... everything

[vtsnowedin]

It would seem that Christmas is being brought forward.
Harmless I suppose.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-51976856

Looks pathetic and desperate to me.

No harm in it though and used what was already in hand. Like the balcony concerts in Italy it just shows some human spirit of resistance and we all will need a lot of that shortly.

[vtsnowedin]

There's also a worst-case scenario for the US which literally flattens it. Imagine that they try quite hard to contain the virus, but only succeed in slowing it down, so the crisis is still ongoing in August. Then imagine that this year's annual up-ratchet in climate change is supercharged by a big drop in global dimming, leading to an extra 0.5C warming over the summer. Come September, the US is then likely to be hit by several really big hurricanes - the worst hurricane season ever, by some margin. At which point any attempt to contain the virus will fail.

The US is totally f***ed. The New American Century lasted 19 years.

The UK is also in massive trouble, given our dependence on dodgy financial services.

I must say that south east UK is just as F***ed as the US.
But perhaps all this staying at home with factories closed will cause a good climate change summer. Look at the canals in Venice where without the tourist boats churning up the bottom mud are as clear blue as they have been in decades.

The UK is in worse trouble than the US I reckon. At least you lot can still feed yourselves, if push came to shove.

And I reckon push will come to shove a lot sooner than many realize.

If I can get the seeds I will put in the best garden I have in years and woe be it to any weed or critter that tries to get a cut of the production.

[boisdevie]

I must say that south east UK is just as F***ed as the US.
But perhaps all this staying at home with factories closed will cause a good climate change summer. Look at the canals in Venice where without the tourist boats churning up the bottom mud are as clear blue as they have been in decades.

The UK is in worse trouble than the US I reckon. At least you lot can still feed yourselves, if push came to shove.

And I reckon push will come to shove a lot sooner than many realize.

If I can get the seeds I will put in the best garden I have in years and woe be it to any weed or critter that tries to get a cut of the production.

I live on a narrowboat so don't have a garden - so I'm wondering just what's the most effective way of getting fish out of the canal,

[Vortex2]

The UK is in worse trouble than the US I reckon. At least you lot can still feed yourselves, if push came to shove.

And I reckon push will come to shove a lot sooner than many realize.

If I can get the seeds I will put in the best garden I have in years and woe be it to any weed or critter that tries to get a cut of the production.

I live on a narrowboat so don't have a garden - so I'm wondering just what's the most effective way of getting fish out of the canal,

Dynamite.

[boisdevie]

If I can get the seeds I will put in the best garden I have in years and woe be it to any weed or critter that tries to get a cut of the production.

I live on a narrowboat so don't have a garden - so I'm wondering just what's the most effective way of getting fish out of the canal,

Dynamite.

Can I get that from B&Q or B&M Home Bargains?

[Vortex2]

Maybe fake news : Norway limiting cash withdrawals.

[vtsnowedin]

I live on a narrowboat so don't have a garden - so I'm wondering just what's the most effective way of getting fish out of the canal,

Dynamite.[/quote]
Hard to come by these days with all the terrorism defenses in place. Scares the bejeusus out of the neighbors anyway. Stick to a worm on hook and line.