What guns to buy? and related posts.

Catweazle · Post by **Catweazle** » 17 Mar 2020, 19:44

I shot 190 rounds of full power .308 in a day at the Lambsfoot complex last year, from a lightweight Ruger M77, no problem at all for me, it would have been 200rds but my scope shook loose right at the end of the day. A couple of dozen shots through a lightweight 12g side-by-side is more painful.

Lambsfoot is a great range by the way:

http://www.orionfirearmstraining.co.uk/

Catweazle · Post by **Catweazle** » 17 Mar 2020, 20:02

Two of my Rugers.

https://ibb.co/3y4Wntv

https://ibb.co/bWCX38F

ReserveGrowthRulz · Post by **ReserveGrowthRulz** » 17 Mar 2020, 20:35

Catweazle wrote:I shot 190 rounds of full power .308 in a day at the Lambsfoot complex last year, from a lightweight Ruger M77, no problem at all for me, it would have been 200rds but my scope shook loose right at the end of the day. A couple of dozen shots through a lightweight 12g side-by-side is more painful.

Lambsfoot is a great range by the way:

http://www.orionfirearmstraining.co.uk/

I have never in my life fired more than 20 rounds at one sitting out of any standard caliber high power rifle.

ReserveGrowthRulz · Post by **ReserveGrowthRulz** » 17 Mar 2020, 20:38

Catweazle wrote:Two of my Rugers.

https://ibb.co/3y4Wntv

https://ibb.co/bWCX38F

That second one looks awful close to my Super Blackhawk, except stainless.

vtsnowedin · Post by **vtsnowedin** » 17 Mar 2020, 21:00

I have never in my life used more then twenty rounds of high powered rifle ammunition at a sitting. Just frugal old Yankee training coming through. I remember clearly the dressing down I got when I finished off the box of 30-30s that went with my fathers rifle when I was allowed to use it. For fifteen rounds I started with I had better have a deer or two hanging in the blocks up in the barn if I wanted any more ammo not paid for out of my own pocket. They cost almost 20 cents a round back then which was serious money for a family getting by on social security and a Veterans pension.

Catweazle · Post by **Catweazle** » 17 Mar 2020, 21:12

ReserveGrowthRulz wrote:
Catweazle wrote:Two of my Rugers.

https://ibb.co/3y4Wntv

https://ibb.co/bWCX38F
That second one looks awful close to my Super Blackhawk, except stainless. Kenneal-Lagger makes it sound likes these kinds of firearms barely exist in the UK, did you have difficulty in acquiring or regularly using them? A Ruger very similar to yours was my very first pistol at age 16.

Cartridge handguns of normal length are banned, the picture is a Ruger Old Army - cap and ball. We can own cartridge handguns, both revolvers and semis, as long as they have extended length barrels and a stupid welded on "stock". I didn't want one so I went the muzzle loader route.

Bolt action rifles are allowed in any calibre up to 50BMG, semi-autos are only allowed in rimfire.

All firearms except shotguns with capacity of 3 cartridges or less require a "Firearms Certificate", this is easy enough to obtain provided you have a good reason and are of good character - ie no criminal record or mental illness.

Reasons can be target shooting, deer stalking or vermin control, and each individual rifle can have its own restrictions. For example, I have an "open ticket" for .22 and .17 rifles, which means that I can decide for myself where is safe to use them provided I have the landowners permission to shoot there. My .308 is not "opened", so I can only use it on land that the police agree is safe for it.

Shotguns are differently licensed, there is a presumption that you can own one unless the police object to it on grounds that you are a criminal or otherwise unsuitable.

Vortex2 · Post by **Vortex2** » 17 Mar 2020, 23:15

Shotguns are differently licensed, there is a presumption that you can own one unless the police object to it on grounds that you are a criminal or otherwise unsuitable.

Our local Firearms Officer has ONE shotgun owner in the city of Birmingham he checks ... but has 200 shotgun owners to check in just one local rural village ... about every second house!

Town dwellers aren't encouraged to own firearms even if technically legal for them to do so.

Catweazle · Post by **Catweazle** » 18 Mar 2020, 18:54

vtsnowedin wrote:They cost almost 20 cents a round back then which was serious money for a family getting by on social security and a Veterans pension.

20 cents is cheap for a whole deer. A box of 50 x 22LR costs from about Â£5 here, which is probably a lot dearer than in USA, but 10p is cheap for a rabbit or to kill the fox that's having your chickens.

I reload .308, but it's still not cheap, 168grn Sierra MK heads are Â£30 per 100, N140 powder is Â£70 / Kg , primers I can't remember, cases I buy once fired and they last quite well.

I have a spare slot on my ticket for a .357 lever action, I considered a Winchester 94AE, but probably won't bother if reloading prices keep going up, rather spend the money on .308.

ReserveGrowthRulz · Post by **ReserveGrowthRulz** » 18 Mar 2020, 21:11

Catweazle wrote: I have a spare slot on my ticket for a .357 lever action, I considered a Winchester 94AE, but probably won't bother if reloading prices keep going up, rather spend the money on .308.

Looking for one of those myself.

Vortex2 · Post by **Vortex2** » 18 Mar 2020, 22:41

my Springfield sub-compact 45

The XD?

Looks like a nice gun - with a good magazine capacity

Wish I had one ..

vtsnowedin · Post by **vtsnowedin** » 19 Mar 2020, 00:04

Catweazle wrote:
vtsnowedin wrote:They cost almost 20 cents a round back then which was serious money for a family getting by on social security and a Veterans pension.
20 cents is cheap for a whole deer. A box of 50 x 22LR costs from about Â£5 here, which is probably a lot dearer than in USA, but 10p is cheap for a rabbit or to kill the fox that's having your chickens.

I reload .308, but it's still not cheap, 168grn Sierra MK heads are Â£30 per 100, N140 powder is Â£70 / Kg , primers I can't remember, cases I buy once fired and they last quite well.

I have a spare slot on my ticket for a .357 lever action, I considered a Winchester 94AE, but probably won't bother if reloading prices keep going up, rather spend the money on .308.

Yes unless you are casting your own bullets for handguns you are not saving much money reloading. Currently primers are $33/ 1000, Powder around $29/lb depending on brand. And premium bullets run 88 cents a piece while some factory seconds can be had for 27 cents. So a box of 7x57s can cost me between $10.26 to $22.50 just for the components if I replace old stock as I use it up. That compares to $36 for a box from Federal loaded similar. Oh well hobbies cost money and this is a lot cheaper then a fishing boat or camping RV.

ReserveGrowthRulz · Post by **ReserveGrowthRulz** » 19 Mar 2020, 00:16

Vortex2 wrote:
my Springfield sub-compact 45
The XD?

Looks like a nice gun - with a good magazine capacity

Wish I had one ..

I bought it to "conceal", oops, it is a bit big for that.

Catweazle · Post by **Catweazle** » 19 Mar 2020, 11:22

I used to have a CZ75, 9mm. It was the most reliable auto I ever owned, also slim. I think the CZ85 was improved for left-handers, but I didn't have one.

ReserveGrowthRulz · Post by **ReserveGrowthRulz** » 19 Mar 2020, 13:28

Catweazle wrote:I used to have a CZ75, 9mm. It was the most reliable auto I ever owned, also slim. I think the CZ85 was improved for left-handers, but I didn't have one.

Never owned or fired a CZ before.

Vortex2 · Post by **Vortex2** » 26 Mar 2020, 15:31

One for RGR ... nice looking firearm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FD_AGr-MSNs