What guns to buy? and related posts.

ReserveGrowthRulz · Post by **ReserveGrowthRulz** » 15 Mar 2020, 20:14

Vortex2 wrote:
Is your opinion of a gun with no manual safeties a reasonable thing in general?
Personally, if I was in a war zone or high criminality area I would demand such a handgun.

Good enough for military guns, good enough for me I've always said.

ReserveGrowthRulz · Post by **ReserveGrowthRulz** » 16 Mar 2020, 05:13

Okay, I couldn't stand it..need ammo

Vortex2 · Post by **Vortex2** » 16 Mar 2020, 11:50

ReserveGrowthRulz wrote:Okay, I couldn't stand it, not stocking up on SOME ammo this weekend.

I found some of the older style JHP 9mm at my usual supplier, far cheaper than the best and most modern self defense ammo (Hornady Critical Defense and the like) but still, a JHP is a JHP and not FMJ.

For what it is, the price was reasonable, and allows me to load more than a few magazines with dedicated anti-personnel ammunition.

Heck, do you REALLY expect trouble which warrants major defensive preparations?

ReserveGrowthRulz · Post by **ReserveGrowthRulz** » 16 Mar 2020, 13:25

Vortex2 wrote: Heck, do you REALLY expect trouble which warrants major defensive preparations?

No.

Vortex2 · Post by **Vortex2** » 16 Mar 2020, 15:56

ReserveGrowthRulz wrote:
Vortex2 wrote: Heck, do you REALLY expect trouble which warrants major defensive preparations?
No. But I get itchy when it looks like the panic might get in the way of me buying reasonably priced ammo whenever I want. Just used up 350+ rounds last time I spent an hour at the range, needed to at least replace that, to keep my inventory robust.

That's a lot!

I shoot 00 buck now and then ... and 30 or so rounds are my limit.

(All goes well until you hold the gun a bit too loosely and you get the bruise .. every shot after that hurts!)

ReserveGrowthRulz · Post by **ReserveGrowthRulz** » 16 Mar 2020, 16:14

Vortex2 wrote:
ReserveGrowthRulz wrote:
Vortex2 wrote: Heck, do you REALLY expect trouble which warrants major defensive preparations?
No. But I get itchy when it looks like the panic might get in the way of me buying reasonably priced ammo whenever I want. Just used up 350+ rounds last time I spent an hour at the range, needed to at least replace that, to keep my inventory robust.
That's a lot!

Depends on what you are doing or practicing I suppose.

Vortex2 · Post by **Vortex2** » 16 Mar 2020, 17:31

Last time I used the Winchester Defender, I didn't use 15 rounds. The thing is just punishing. I should really get some low recoil loads with 00 buck and practice with it more.

In order to defeat flinch I have fired HUGE numbers of heavy recoil rounds.

It took about a year, but I don't care much about recoil now .. although I'm sure that some guns/rounds would defeat me!

ReserveGrowthRulz · Post by **ReserveGrowthRulz** » 16 Mar 2020, 19:49

Vortex2 wrote:
Last time I used the Winchester Defender, I didn't use 15 rounds. The thing is just punishing. I should really get some low recoil loads with 00 buck and practice with it more.
In order to defeat flinch I have fired HUGE numbers of heavy recoil rounds.

I don't have a flinch problem as much as a distaste for, really, do I need a howitzer to launch some lead balls into a bad guy?

Vortex2 · Post by **Vortex2** » 16 Mar 2020, 22:58

I only care about recoil on one firearm, and it is my first pistol, acquired at age 16, in 44 mag.

Many years ago a 'friend' gave me a .357 revolver to try on a range. He said it was loaded with .38 Special but in reality it was loaded with hot .357.

He was really annoyed that I got a great score!

He was grumpy that I was a better shot than him - especially with a Browning HP - so he was trying to teach me a lesson.

He however did succeed in defeating me - a 1911 caught me out and cut my hand open.

ReserveGrowthRulz · Post by **ReserveGrowthRulz** » 16 Mar 2020, 23:33

Vortex2 wrote: He however did succeed in defeating me - a 1911 caught me out and cut my hand open.

Slide bite?

Vortex2 · Post by **Vortex2** » 17 Mar 2020, 10:53

ReserveGrowthRulz wrote:
Vortex2 wrote: He however did succeed in defeating me - a 1911 caught me out and cut my hand open.
Slide bite?

No - the rear strap had grip slots milled into it horizontally - they had not been smoothed off so acted like a stack of sharp edges.

That plus me being taken by surprise by the heavy recoil.

ReserveGrowthRulz · Post by **ReserveGrowthRulz** » 17 Mar 2020, 13:46

Vortex2 wrote:
ReserveGrowthRulz wrote:
Vortex2 wrote: He however did succeed in defeating me - a 1911 caught me out and cut my hand open.
Slide bite?
No - the rear strap had grip slots milled into it horizontally - they had not been smoothed off so acted like a stack of sharp edges.

That plus me being taken by surprise by the heavy recoil.

1911's in their full size, steel framed, 5" barrel "best close quarters combat weapon of the 20th century" glory don't have a heavy recoil.

Vortex2 · Post by **Vortex2** » 17 Mar 2020, 15:16

ReserveGrowthRulz wrote:
Vortex2 wrote:
ReserveGrowthRulz wrote: Slide bite?
No - the rear strap had grip slots milled into it horizontally - they had not been smoothed off so acted like a stack of sharp edges.

That plus me being taken by surprise by the heavy recoil.
1911's in their full size, steel framed, 5" barrel "best close quarters combat weapon of the 20th century" glory don't have a heavy recoil. Oh, you notice it, but about the same as you notice smaller calibers (9mm say) in lighter guns.

Try a 40 S&W in a Glock 27. That one moves around. I've also got a sub-compact 45, polymer pistol, short barrel, it moves around more than a full sized 1911 as well, but not as much as the Glock 27.

I've never fired a 357 magnum in a light weight frame, that would be interesting I imagine, but as I've previously mentioned, a 44 magnum in even a heavy framed revolver is quite illuminating, when it comes to recoil. If memory serves, the same caliber is entertaining in my lever action rifle. Short, sharp, very "blast" noticeable.

Maybe I held that 1911 loosely or something ...

I find the HP 9mm a truly perfect fit in my hand.

A Very flare signal pistol is intriguing ... massive 'push' recoil which drags your arm right down. In anti-perp mode it woud be - err - nasty.

Oddly the nastiest round I have encountered so far is a French 12 gauge semi magnum intended for anti-fox use. It was a weird calibre between big birdshot and BBs. Very hard and sharp wallop.

vtsnowedin · Post by **vtsnowedin** » 17 Mar 2020, 15:39

Recoil in a shotgun is a function of the powder charge and the total weight of the shot and wads. An ounce of fine shot will give the same recoil as a ounce of buckshot or a one ounce slug if the powder charge is the same and fired in the same gun. Now switch to a heavy short barreled open choke semi auto shotgun shooting light skeet loads from a light long barreled full choked box lock shooting heavy goose loads and you can cut felt recoil in half.

ReserveGrowthRulz · Post by **ReserveGrowthRulz** » 17 Mar 2020, 17:59

Vortex2 wrote:
ReserveGrowthRulz wrote: 1911's in their full size, steel framed, 5" barrel "best close quarters combat weapon of the 20th century" glory don't have a heavy recoil. Oh, you notice it, but about the same as you notice smaller calibers (9mm say) in lighter guns.
Maybe I held that 1911 loosely or something ...

Always possible.