New coronavirus in/from China

[adam2]

The over 70s won't play ball

Listening to LBC : many callers over 70 refusing to accept any restrictions.

Sadly many over 70s seem to develop an over inflated sense of their IQ & knowledge.

This has been my experience.
Friends of my late mothers are generally carrying on as normal. Much talk of the "blitz spirit" as being justification for attending social events as normal. Cultural meetings, card games, church, pub lunches and so on.
Many are already in poor health.

[clv101]

The over 70s won't play ball

Listening to LBC : many callers over 70 refusing to accept any restrictions.

Sadly many over 70s seem to develop an over inflated sense of their IQ & knowledge.

This has been my experience.
Friends of my late mothers are generally carrying on as normal. Much talk of the "blitz spirit" as being justification for attending social events as normal. Cultural meetings, card games, church, pub lunches and so on.
Many are already in poor health.

My experience too, infuriating to hear of parents carrying on as normal. A demographic in denial.

[Vortex2]

I don't understand why HMG thinks we have several weeks to play with ..

Even with models NOT allowing for reporting delays or hidden cases, my 100% infected date is 24th April.

(Of course, things slow down after 80% or so are infected)

On this basis the hospitals will be totally overloaded much sooner than 24th April and the crematoria will be VERY busy.

The 100% infected date when I allow for hidden cases and reporting delays is 10th April ........

I simply don't understand what HMG is playing at.

I still come back to the point on enforcement. It takes a huge amount of resources to enforce a gov' decree.

These resources are better deployed elsewhere.

I agree with the use of nudge theory. It will have better results.

I think that we'll unavoidably end up with a hybrid mess : lots of dead and a long smeared out infection period.

Most but not all will self-isolate.

Many - but not enough - ventilators will become available.

End result : a dog's breakfast.

[Catweazle]

My parents aren't taking it seriously either.

I suppose having lived through WW2, Cuban Missile Crisis and numerous flu variants has made them complacent.

Also, they've been subjected to many years of government scare tactics used to pass laws / restrictions on liberty - I can understand how they might regard this as just another one.

[eatyourveg]

The over 70s won't play ball

Listening to LBC : many callers over 70 refusing to accept any restrictions.

Sadly many over 70s seem to develop an over inflated sense of their IQ & knowledge.

Mrs Stumuz is banging her head against the wall as I write.

Her mother, is in a assisted living community, We have been telling her about self isolation etc, but all you get is a sigh and "Yes, i'm sure it'll be alright"

Anyway, she needs a trim on Thursday and she's bloody well going.

My parents have been in self isolation for the last week and are taking this very seriously, but the other half's are quite the opposite, aided and abetted by the other daughter. The sister in law simply won't accept there is a problem and straight forward poo poo's any discussion on the subject. It seems like the in laws are quite happy for sis in law to write a suicide note for them. Weird.

[Vortex2]

I heard an interesting caller on LBC ..

An ill person asked her GP for extra meds to cover the infection chaos period.

She expected to be laughed at ... but the GP agreed that the **** is about to hit the fan.

She received a stack of meds for her illness ... and the GP added a "very strong" extra med.

Make of that what you will.

[Vortex2]

The over 70s won't play ball

Listening to LBC : many callers over 70 refusing to accept any restrictions.

Sadly many over 70s seem to develop an over inflated sense of their IQ & knowledge.

Mrs Stumuz is banging her head against the wall as I write.

Her mother, is in a assisted living community, We have been telling her about self isolation etc, but all you get is a sigh and "Yes, i'm sure it'll be alright"

Anyway, she needs a trim on Thursday and she's bloody well going.

My parents have been in self isolation for the last week and are taking this very seriously, but the other half's are quite the opposite, aided and abetted by the other daughter. The sister in law simply won't accept there is a problem and straight forward poo poo's any discussion on the subject. It seems like the in laws are quite happy for sis in law to write a suicide note for them. Weird.

Do the in-laws have a nice house looking for new owners?

[eatyourveg]

Mrs Stumuz is banging her head against the wall as I write.

Her mother, is in a assisted living community, We have been telling her about self isolation etc, but all you get is a sigh and "Yes, i'm sure it'll be alright"

Anyway, she needs a trim on Thursday and she's bloody well going.

My parents have been in self isolation for the last week and are taking this very seriously, but the other half's are quite the opposite, aided and abetted by the other daughter. The sister in law simply won't accept there is a problem and straight forward poo poo's any discussion on the subject. It seems like the in laws are quite happy for sis in law to write a suicide note for them. Weird.

Do the in-laws have a nice house looking for new owners?

No, it's just pig headedness.

[adam2]

I heard* from more than one oldie the view that this virus is largely a problem of the lower social classes and that it wont affect "nice people"

In particular I suggested that attending a social event with people recently returned from Italy was unwise. "It is alright, they are very nice people and I known them for years"

And as for their grand children and great grand children, there is a view that state schools could be risky because "children from all sorts of backgrounds go to them"
Fee paying schools should be fine as only nice people go to them.

*by telephone, NOT from meeting in person. I have some sense of self preservation.

[boisdevie]

I heard* from more than one oldie the view that this virus is largely a problem of the lower social classes and that it wont affect "nice people"

In particular I suggested that attending a social event with people recently returned from Italy was unwise. "It is alright, they are very nice people and I known them for years"

And as for their grand children and great grand children, there is a view that state schools could be risky because "children from all sorts of backgrounds go to them"
Fee paying schools should be fine as only nice people go to them.

*by telephone, NOT from meeting in person. I have some sense of self preservation.

Perhaps when these idiots die from the virus the average UK IQ will be increased?

[Vortex2]

I heard* from more than one oldie the view that this virus is largely a problem of the lower social classes and that it wont affect "nice people"

In particular I suggested that attending a social event with people recently returned from Italy was unwise. "It is alright, they are very nice people and I known them for years"

And as for their grand children and great grand children, there is a view that state schools could be risky because "children from all sorts of backgrounds go to them"
Fee paying schools should be fine as only nice people go to them.

*by telephone, NOT from meeting in person. I have some sense of self preservation.

So how come so many 'top' people have been infected?

[PS_RalphW]

Top people are so used to getting to do what they want, go where they want, and meet who they want, they cannot get their head around the idea that such behaviour is extremely risky because the virus is entirely immune to class and wealth distinctions. Which makes top people precisely the high risk people you should avoid.

[stumuz1]

Eldest daughter just sent me a gif she thought I'd like via WhatsApp (can't/don't know how to post a gif on here)

In light of recent panic buying at UK supermarkets, we have introduced purchase limits.

ASDA 2x Hand sanitisers, 24 Toilet rolls max

TESCO 18 X Toilet rolls, 2x Hand sanitisers, 2kg rice max

CO-OP 12 X Toilet rolls, 1kg Rice max

ALDI 2X Trumpets, 1x Diving suit, 1 x Mig welder.

[Little John]

My parents aren't taking it seriously either.

I suppose having lived through WW2, Cuban Missile Crisis and numerous flu variants has made them complacent.

Also, they've been subjected to many years of government scare tactics used to pass laws / restrictions on liberty - I can understand how they might regard this as just another one.

I have some sympathy for this age group.

Of the ones I have spoken to, most of them really do understand the dangers. But, really do have the attitude that they cannot hide away for months on end with no particular end in sight. I find that attitude personally frustrating. But, it is their right and they have a different perspective that must be respected.

[Mean Mr Mustard II]

Following Adam2's shopping report, and V2's personal risk guide, we decided to break cover for one last time. Final top up.

We did a planned flyby of Aldi - car park overflowing - and saw the constant stream of cars entering the mega Tescos nearby. Instead, we headed for B&M, per Adam's advice. They were reasonably well stocked with everything. Even got two Aloe Vera gels. Then went to a backwater supermarket where all the labels are written in Foreign, mainly aimed at the large Eastern European diaspora here. They too had everything, busy but not overcrowded. Loo roll, flour etc. Being as it's not mainstream, and assuming they can still import from Europe, that'll be the first port of call in X months from now.

We are thinking about a trip early next week to a flour mill... Really gotta call it good then.