New coronavirus in/from China
Moderator: Peak Moderation
So the breeders will take time off work on a rota, so that the childless can pick up your workload? Or does everyone get a rota time off?oobers wrote:I should clarify - the childcare would be provided by a few people from my workplace, on a rota system, but away from the workplace, in our homes.vtsnowedin wrote:Taking your child out of school and then to work with you just moves the problem. If you need to take your child out of school you should also be staying away from work. Otherwise you will accomplish very little.oobers wrote:I’d welcome your views on taking my child (9) out of school before any UK wide school closures. I’d like to do so, and provide childcare as part of an informal group of carers within my workplace.
I don’t agree with the reasoning given at national level for keeping schools open any longer. The infection status of parents at this stage is unknown because there is no preemptive testing happening and most are unlikely to be modifying the level of tactile contact with their children. The schools themselves will be breeding grounds as the children will be asymptomatic and sneezing and coughing in the usual seasonal way with very little caution.
If they close schools before any nationwide lockdown, vulnerable grandparents will be asked to care for children, so the sooner we get children out of school the better so fewer of them are going infected to stay with vulnerable carers.
If alternative childcare arrangements can be made that help all concerned, we should do this in my opinion.
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UndercoverElephant
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I would take my child out of school if I had one at school, yes. Nobody will criticise you.oobers wrote:I’d welcome your views on taking my child (9) out of school before any UK wide school closures. I’d like to do so, and provide childcare as part of an informal group of carers within my workplace.
I don’t agree with the reasoning given at national level for keeping schools open any longer. The infection status of parents at this stage is unknown because there is no preemptive testing happening and most are unlikely to be modifying the level of tactile contact with their children. The schools themselves will be breeding grounds as the children will be asymptomatic and sneezing and coughing in the usual seasonal way with very little caution.
If they close schools before any nationwide lockdown, vulnerable grandparents will be asked to care for children, so the sooner we get children out of school the better so fewer of them are going infected to stay with vulnerable carers.
If alternative childcare arrangements can be made that help all concerned, we should do this in my opinion.
It seems to me that the UK is taking contentious approach to the pandemic, that exposing a large proportion of the population to the coronavirus will help people develop immunity, and put us in a better position to defend against the virus roaring back next winter.
It seems epidemiologists are as divided on the subject as we are.
Some epidemiologists fear that closing schools only pulls front-line doctors, nurses, critical workers, and lets not forget the ordinary mundane worker who is the backbone of the economy, away from their work, and believe that large events are less dangerous for spreading the virus than more intimate gatherings in pubs and families at homes.
Whilst the other half of the epidemiologists think that firefighting the virus in the short term, will result in fewer risk group deaths, but concede, it will be back in the winter.
Time will tell.
It seems epidemiologists are as divided on the subject as we are.
Some epidemiologists fear that closing schools only pulls front-line doctors, nurses, critical workers, and lets not forget the ordinary mundane worker who is the backbone of the economy, away from their work, and believe that large events are less dangerous for spreading the virus than more intimate gatherings in pubs and families at homes.
Whilst the other half of the epidemiologists think that firefighting the virus in the short term, will result in fewer risk group deaths, but concede, it will be back in the winter.
Time will tell.
As long as you do not ask a risk group (grandparents) to look after them.UndercoverElephant wrote:I would take my child out of school if I had one at school, yes. Nobody will criticise you.oobers wrote:I’d welcome your views on taking my child (9) out of school before any UK wide school closures. I’d like to do so, and provide childcare as part of an informal group of carers within my workplace.
I don’t agree with the reasoning given at national level for keeping schools open any longer. The infection status of parents at this stage is unknown because there is no preemptive testing happening and most are unlikely to be modifying the level of tactile contact with their children. The schools themselves will be breeding grounds as the children will be asymptomatic and sneezing and coughing in the usual seasonal way with very little caution.
If they close schools before any nationwide lockdown, vulnerable grandparents will be asked to care for children, so the sooner we get children out of school the better so fewer of them are going infected to stay with vulnerable carers.
If alternative childcare arrangements can be made that help all concerned, we should do this in my opinion.
Or, if herd theory is correct, we will have to give Foreign office guidance not to travel to Europe because of their high infection rates.PS_RalphW wrote:I occurs to me, that by following this strategy, the UK will be sabotaging European efforts to contain the virus China style. UK nationals will be the new target racial hate figures, we will be barred entry to all other countries like lepurs used to be.
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My cough woke me out of a sound sleep in the middle of the night. Choosing not to fight it I got up and showered to let the water vapor help if it could and now I'm sitting here sipping a cup of tea and looking at the numbers. It appears that overnight both the UK and the USA reported enough new cases to be solidly on that 33 percent increase line. Nothing anybody is doing anywhere is having any effect on the number of cases.
I am now even more suspicious of Chinese figures being a fabrication rather then an actual body count and look to Italy as the only true guide to our future.
I am now even more suspicious of Chinese figures being a fabrication rather then an actual body count and look to Italy as the only true guide to our future.
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We are so stuffed ..
One doctor’s story: ‘We don’t have the masks, goggles – or the staff’
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... speaks-out
One doctor’s story: ‘We don’t have the masks, goggles – or the staff’
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... speaks-out
Matt Hancock in the Torygraph,
"Today, we take further action, with a call to arms for a drive to build the ventilators and other equipment the NHS will need. We are better equipped thanks to the NHS than most other countries, but we will need many more. We now need any manufacturers to transform their production lines to make ventilators. We cannot make too many."
"Today, we take further action, with a call to arms for a drive to build the ventilators and other equipment the NHS will need. We are better equipped thanks to the NHS than most other countries, but we will need many more. We now need any manufacturers to transform their production lines to make ventilators. We cannot make too many."
We cannot make too many ...because we are really keen on ensuring that as many people as possible get sick pronto.stumuz1 wrote:Matt Hancock in the Torygraph,
"Today, we take further action, with a call to arms for a drive to build the ventilators and other equipment the NHS will need. We are better equipped thanks to the NHS than most other countries, but we will need many more. We now need any manufacturers to transform their production lines to make ventilators. We cannot make too many."