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Mean Mr Mustard II wrote:
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clv101 wrote:They say 10-20x more cases than positive tests. Or 5-10,000 cases.
So according to my model that means a 3 day lag : infection => reported case.

Seems a bit short to me.
And now the new 'stay indoors for 7 days if symptomatic' rule will add to the reporting delay and increase spread within households (those lacking East Wings) then beyond, among schools, offices and everywhere else. Though slowing admissions fractionally.
I found this in a Chinese report: The median incubation period was 3.0 days (range, 0 to 24.0 days)

Another report: The coronavirus’ median incubation period, the new paper says, appears to be about five days, with the vast majority of people developing symptoms within 12 days.

Yet another report: The median incubation period was estimated to be 5.1 days

So let's say 5 days incubation period before symptoms.

Shorter than I had thought but it will take the infected person time to recognise the problem, and more time to be processed by the health system.

In parallel, I have reduced my model infected/hidden ratio from 8.3 to a more modest 6 based on recent data from China.

Using this lower number my model suggests that for the government's 10,000 currently infected figure to work you need a maximum infected->certified infected time of 4 to 5 days.

So the infected person will need to report and be classified by HMG within one day of symptoms appearing, for their data to even vaguely work.

A more realistic 5 days would give us a current infected figure of 12k - 16k ... and that is based on the most optimistic/generous data I can assemble.

Conclusion: HMG's estimate of 5k - 10k currently infected is very optimistic. 12k -16k is the minimum my model suggests, under optimistic constraints. More probable is a current infected figure of around 30k to 50k.
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F--k it.

I will get it and recover or I will get it and die. I have done all I can to buffer my family in terms of food and other resources. So, that's it.

One thing I am not going to lose sleep over is whether or not I catch this bugger. Chances are I will.
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Everyone: Can we please stop talking about Brexit?!

Coronavirus: *happens*

Everyone: No, not like that.
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Little John wrote:F--k it.

I will get it and recover or I will get it and die. I have done all I can to buffer my family in terms of food and other resources. So, that's it.

One thing I am not going to lose sleep over is whether or not I catch this bugger. Chances are I will.
Just now I thought :

"Poo, I don't want to be one of those poor souls connected to a ventilator in ICU"

And then I realised ... being oldish I will be left to die on an old army camp-bed in the hospital's photocopy paper store room.
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Trying to keep on topic - Scotch wisdom:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sz34241gl5g
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clv101 wrote:Everyone: Can we please stop talking about Brexit?!

Coronavirus: *happens*

Everyone: No, not like that.
What are you talking about?
There is no mention of Brexit on this thread in at least the last couple of pages.
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vtsnowedin wrote:
clv101 wrote:Everyone: Can we please stop talking about Brexit?!

Coronavirus: *happens*

Everyone: No, not like that.
What are you talking about?
There is no mention of Brexit on this thread in at least the last couple of pages.
Spam, spam, spam, spam ... oh sorry, Brexit, Brexit, Brexit ....
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Vortex2 wrote:
Little John wrote:F--k it.

I will get it and recover or I will get it and die. I have done all I can to buffer my family in terms of food and other resources. So, that's it.

One thing I am not going to lose sleep over is whether or not I catch this bugger. Chances are I will.
Just now I thought :

"Poo, I don't want to be one of those poor souls connected to a ventilator in ICU"

And then I realised ... being oldish I will be left to die on an old army camp-bed in the hospital's photocopy paper store room.
:lol:
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I thought I and my wife were in the free and clear for now having just a bad set of chest colds but today a young lady we sat next to and chatted with at the local pub last Thursday night posted that her University has quarantined her because she flew through Seattle last week. Still figuring out how that applies to us but it certainly adds a level of uncertainty to our future plans.
Full width of the country in one flight? Yup the miracle of modern jet travel .
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Some gloom for you

Assuming we survive this first wave (Macron mentions that a second will follow) what we all be doing?

* Our food be mostly gone.

* Many of us will have no work or income.

* Some of us will be unable to pay rent or mortgages.

* Many of us will have no cash, or other assets.

* The economy will be a charred wasteland.

* The virus will still be rumbling away.

* The political landscape will be shattered.

* Supply lines will be wrecked and many goods will be in short supply and expensive.

Will there be a place for all the software engineers or telephone sanitisers in the brave new world?

Dose anyone have any ideas or plans about our new future?

Enjoy The War - The Peace Will Be Terrible
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vtsnowedin wrote:I thought I and my wife were in the free and clear for now having just a bad set of chest colds but today a young lady we sat next to and chatted with at the local pub last Thursday night posted that her University has quarantined her because she flew through Seattle last week. Still figuring out how that applies to us but it certainly adds a level of uncertainty to our future plans.
Full width of the country in one flight? Yup the miracle of modern jet travel .
How long have you had symptoms V? I ask because you seem to have had them for some time now. Which either means you aint got it. Or, it may mean you do have it, but are not getting it too severely. Which would be great if true because it would mean you'll have got it over and done with and can carry on with normal life while all around you is turning to shit.
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Vortex2 wrote: Conclusion: HMG's estimate of 5k - 10k currently infected is very optimistic. 12k -16k is the minimum my model suggests, under optimistic constraints. More probable is a current infected figure of around 30k to 50k.
'Very optimistic?' Economical with the truth. Won't somebody think of the FTSE. Please.

If we settled on 40k, and the latest exponential, how does that work the growth projection?

Also, can the London official figure - probably 125 now, it was 100 this morning - look if you apply more credible figures? Clearly the UK epicentre and likely why they don't want to apply lockdowns.
When you're dealing with exponential growth, the time to act is when it feels too early.
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Vortex2 wrote:Some gloom for you

Assuming we survive this first wave (Macron mentions that a second will follow) what we all be doing?

* Our food be mostly gone.

* Many of us will have no work or income.

* Some of us will be unable to pay rent or mortgages.

* Many of us will have no cash, or other assets.

* The economy will be a charred wasteland.

* The virus will still be rumbling away.

* The political landscape will be shattered.

* Supply lines will be wrecked and many goods will be in short supply and expensive.

Will there be a place for all the software engineers or telephone sanitisers in the brave new world?

Dose anyone have any ideas or plans about our new future?

Enjoy The War - The Peace Will Be Terrible
I already have plans.
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Little John wrote:
Vortex2 wrote:Some gloom for you

Assuming we survive this first wave (Macron mentions that a second will follow) what we all be doing?

* Our food be mostly gone.

* Many of us will have no work or income.

* Some of us will be unable to pay rent or mortgages.

* Many of us will have no cash, or other assets.

* The economy will be a charred wasteland.

* The virus will still be rumbling away.

* The political landscape will be shattered.

* Supply lines will be wrecked and many goods will be in short supply and expensive.

Will there be a place for all the software engineers or telephone sanitisers in the brave new world?

Dose anyone have any ideas or plans about our new future?

Enjoy The War - The Peace Will Be Terrible
I already have plans.
If they involve marauding, looting & pillage I'm your man!

PS My mental image of the aftermath is like the opening scene of one of those Terminator films.
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If we settled on 40k, and the latest exponential, how does that work the growth projection?
What figure are you interested in?
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