New coronavirus in/from China

Little John · Post by **Little John** » 12 Mar 2020, 00:52

Mean Mr Mustard II wrote:The next bizarre plot twist was the impact on the politicians. None had expected to become Official Statistics themselves, while cynically delaying actions which could have saved many of their own, and thousands of their elderly core voters. This proved a rash judgement, and for many, the outcome was fatal.

Several months later, as Emergency Rule was lifted, forty-three by-elections were finally run. The surviving older voters were mostly reluctant to attend even moderately crowded polling stations, even though the virus had receded. Younger voters, many now unemployed, had fewer concerns, turning out in huge numbers, and the seemingly unassailable Government majority of 70 had evaporated.

Labour are as bad and worse in some respects and people will not vote for them either after all of this is done. Major change will come of this.

PS_RalphW · Post by **PS_RalphW** » 12 Mar 2020, 05:15

Talking of politicians, Trump has put flight ban from all EU countries except UK to the US, and on a big TV speech explicitly blamed the EU for the coming US epidemic for not locking down Chinese travel quickly enough to prevent breakout in EU countries.

That man wants to start a war.

UndercoverElephant · Post by **UndercoverElephant** » 12 Mar 2020, 07:23

PS_RalphW wrote:Talking of politicians, Trump has put flight ban from all EU countries except UK to the US, and on a big TV speech explicitly blamed the EU for the coming US epidemic for not locking down Chinese travel quickly enough to prevent breakout in EU countries.

That man wants to start a war.

It's madness. There's as many cases in the US as there is everywhere in Europe apart from Italy, it's just the US isn't testing probably. This is pure optics. Be seen to to be doing something, rather than actually doing something useful.

I mean....

Mr Trump said the European Union had "failed to take the same precautions" as the US in fighting the virus.

Like having a sane health system, for example?

Post by **clv101** » 12 Mar 2020, 07:23

PS_RalphW wrote:Talking of politicians, Trump has put flight ban from all EU countries except UK to the US...

Urm, I know Brexit hasn't been in the news much recently...

stumuz1 · Post by **stumuz1** » 12 Mar 2020, 07:32

Something I have just heard from yesterday in Parliament.

Jeremy Hunt (ex health secretary) said he expected the pandemic to peak in about two weeks.

Matt Hancock (current heath secretary) said this was incorrect and the peak was still some two months away.

Both cannot be right.

Using Vortex and Little john's spreadsheet two months (day 60ish) will see the entire UK and more infected.

Who is nearer the mark? Hunt or Hancock?

UndercoverElephant · Post by **UndercoverElephant** » 12 Mar 2020, 07:42

stumuz1 wrote:Something I have just heard from yesterday in Parliament.

Jeremy Hunt (ex health secretary) said he expected the pandemic to peak in about two weeks.

Matt Hancock (current heath secretary) said this was incorrect and the peak was still some two months away.

Both cannot be right.

Using Vortex and Little john's spreadsheet two months (day 60ish) will see the entire UK and more infected.

Who is nearer the mark? Hunt or Hancock?

Hancock, unless very serious restrictions are implemented this weekend.

boisdevie · Post by **boisdevie** » 12 Mar 2020, 07:53

I'm concerned for my 30 year old daughter who has asthma. In a way I'd prefer for her to get this now whilst we still have a functioning NHS.

PS_RalphW · Post by **PS_RalphW** » 12 Mar 2020, 08:10

Wife and daughter still have coughs but no fever, so we are not early adopters for this one.

Lord Beria3 · Post by **Lord Beria3** » 12 Mar 2020, 08:19

Anybody who is old or sick should self isolate NOW.

If they don't they risk death.

Governments priority must be to sustain the continued flow of goods and food which all of us need to live.

That is more important than keeping a bunch of old people living a few more years.

stumuz1 · Post by **stumuz1** » 12 Mar 2020, 08:23

Lord Beria3 wrote:Anybody who is old or sick should self isolate NOW.

If they don't they risk death.

Governments priority must be to sustain the continued flow of goods and food which all of us need to live.

That is more important than keeping a bunch of old people living a few more years.

I have a no abuse rule when posting on this forum.

But rest assured in my head you are getting a severe tongue lashing.

stumuz1 · Post by **stumuz1** » 12 Mar 2020, 08:24

PS_RalphW wrote:Wife and daughter still have coughs but no fever, so we are not early adopters for this one.

Good. Fingers crossed.

UndercoverElephant · Post by **UndercoverElephant** » 12 Mar 2020, 08:26

Lord Beria3 wrote:Anybody who is old or sick should self isolate NOW.

Yep. My family went to visit my very sick mother in her new nursing home yesterday, but that is it. We're offline now.

Mean Mr Mustard II · Post by **Mean Mr Mustard II** » 12 Mar 2020, 08:40

Now on lockdown.

Went to Addenbrookes for the planned outpatient appt. Hospitals, particularly A&E and the car park are now high risk zones, as we know the contamination is already more widespread than official numbers.

There is a big shiny metal button which ALL car drivers have to press once committed in a queue for the multistorey car park barrier ticket... With a helpful notice underneath.

CORONAVIRUS Is your visit is really necessary?

Too late!! Tried a pen, no joy, so I used a knuckle, to avoid contaminating the steering wheel, then immediately applied alcohol gel once parked. Then donned disposable rubber gloves and left the car park via the rear fire exit stairs, avoiding people and the confined lifts with more communal buttons. With the disposable gloves, pulling the door handles and using the stair rail was OK. Would really have hated to end up in A&E from falling down the stairs... Gloves binned on arrival. Then did the reverse on returning to the unclean car park danger zone.

That's the tedious germophobe detailed thinking the virus demands.

Mean Mr Mustard II · Post by **Mean Mr Mustard II** » 12 Mar 2020, 08:49

Graun live feed - Iceland has a huge per capita infection...

Reykjavikâ€™s Grapevine has the latest:

Of these 90 individuals, four of them contracted it due to a so-called â€œthird-degree infectionâ€�; contracting the virus from someone who contracted the virus from someone else, who brought the disease in from abroad.

35 of these infections can be directly traced back to northern Italy; 29 from Austria; four from Switzerland and one from an unnamed Asian country. The rest have been infected from individuals from this group, some of whom did not abide home quarantine orders.

From there it may have already reached Greenland. That's game over in the Pandemic sim...

Lord Beria3 · Post by **Lord Beria3** » 12 Mar 2020, 08:55

My parents self isolating as well.

This virus is essentially a very nasty flu which picks of the most vulnerable in society.

We accept it as one of those things for seasonal flu and once this over it will become normalised.

Not sure why saying that most at risk should self isolate is wrong. If our food supply gets totally disrupted millions will die.

And that's the choice. Thousands or millions depending upon whether you prioritise economy or not.