What changes can we make to our lives to deal with the economic and energy crises ahead? Have you already started making preparations? Got tips to share?
Vortex2 wrote:
A fascinating round : expensive but hard hitting, long range, armour piercing ... and totally silent with a moderator.
It's been banned in the Syrian war due to being an unfair calibre .. which is saying something for that environment!
Subsonic does not go together with long range or armor piercing.
Yep, in this case it does. Very armour piercing and reaches out several hundred metres.
Well they say it will penetrate 2 mm of steel at 500 meters but sighted in at 100 yards it is 345 inches low at 500 yds and has just 508 ft. lbs. of energy left. My old 7x57 shooting a similarly constructed bullet would be just 44 inches low and have 1319 ft. lbs. at the same range.
Now 500 yards or meters is where long range begins and this Russian is in the dirt. But you have fun with that especially finding any of that SP-6 AP ammo.
All this talk of self defence is useless for UK dwellers.
If I lived in the US I wouldn't own a huge selection of firearms for post apocalypse use - better to spend the money and time on learning how to use two or three. My choices would be a S&W 629 with 6" barrel, loaded with 44 Special hollow points around 200grn, a Mossberg 590 12g loaded with 32g of BB, and for knocking off the odd sheep or bull at range a Ruger 77 Mk1, tang safety, in .308 shooting 168grn at 2850fps.
Catweazle wrote:All this talk of self defence is useless for UK dwellers.
If I lived in the US I wouldn't own a huge selection of firearms for post apocalypse use - better to spend the money and time on learning how to use two or three. My choices would be a S&W 629 with 6" barrel, loaded with 44 Special hollow points around 200grn, a Mossberg 590 12g loaded with 32g of BB, and for knocking off the odd sheep or bull at range a Ruger 77 Mk1, tang safety, in .308 shooting 168grn at 2850fps.
Go with what you know.
Yes indeed and a good set of choices but I would add in a 22lr in a scoped rifle for cheap recoil free practice. Also good for picking squirrels off the bird feeder.
vtsnowedin wrote:I would add in a 22lr in a scoped rifle for cheap recoil free practice. Also good for picking squirrels off the bird feeder.
Indeed, that was a silly omission on my part. Arguably, if you could choose only one rifle, that should be it. I like the CZ452 with replacement Timney trigger.
Catweazle wrote:All this talk of self defence is useless for UK dwellers.
Except for the ring around the kitchen table defense, which kenneal-lagger has convinced me is the reality of how UK citizens have been conditioned to think about these issues.
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There is the matter of appearance. A 308 in a plain bolt action and stock topped with a normal hunting sized scope draws little attention. Get a fluted long barrel on a synthetic thumb hole stock topped with top of the line range adjusting scope and you look like a reject from a special OPPS. sniper squad. Then get one on a AR platform with a night vision scope and people will want to know when your war is going to start.
Now the ARs in all the calibers you can now get them in are fun to shoot as long as you have good hearing protection but they do burn through ammo like you are a rich man. Most of us will never have a task for their 308 that the plain Jane hunting version can't handle nicely.
Biden and crew want to confiscate and outlaw all AR-15s (when he doesn't call them AR-14s). Taking those and leaving us with our bolt action deer rifles would be a big mistake.
Catweazle wrote:All this talk of self defence is useless for UK dwellers.
Except for the ring around the kitchen table defense, which kenneal-lagger has convinced me is the reality of how UK citizens have been conditioned to think about these issues. ..................
I'm just happy that we, in Europe, don't have to obsess about self protection like it appears that you obviously have to, RGR, from the way you keep harping back to my post.
