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ReserveGrowthRulz wrote:
vtsnowedin wrote: But if you are a 1911 fan and are used to manual safeties you will never feel right not being able to flip the safety on when done shooting.
Safety on, safety off, safety good!!
In YouTube videos you can see even experienced competition shooters forget about the safety being on.

I've done it myslf when taken out shooting by friends. A couple of foxes survived due to that.

I wouldn't want that to happen if a machete wielding thug was just about to reach me.
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Especially a coughing machete wielding thug.
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Vortex2 wrote:
ReserveGrowthRulz wrote:
vtsnowedin wrote: But if you are a 1911 fan and are used to manual safeties you will never feel right not being able to flip the safety on when done shooting.
Safety on, safety off, safety good!!
In YouTube videos you can see even experienced competition shooters forget about the safety being on.
You are quite correct. I recommend you not being one of those people so easily rattled during something as tame as a competition that you forget how a gun works.
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handed it to people who couldn't be trusted to keep their fingers out of the trigger guard,
That's why I prefer to shoot TOTALLY alone when in the field. No dog, no 'mate' to get in the way.

My worst shooting partner is my son - an Afghanistan vet ... he treats guns like toys, swings loaded weapons around etc ... terrifying.

The best guy I ever shot with was a gamekeeper .. superb gun safety.

My main worry now in the field is fences ... crossing a fence with a firearm is dangerous.
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Vortex2 wrote:.. crossing a fence with a firearm is dangerous.
A safe procedure for fence crossing is drilled into students during their firearms safety course. If alone you place the firearm with safety engaged on the ground under the fence. then cross one fence post away before picking the firearm up from the other side. Care taken to place the gun in a position that you are not grasping it by the muzzle and pulling it towards yourself. If in a team one passes his firearm to the other hunter then crosses and receives both guns from his partner before he crosses.
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vtsnowedin wrote:
Vortex2 wrote:.. crossing a fence with a firearm is dangerous.
A safe procedure for fence crossing is drilled into students during their firearms safety course. If alone you place the firearm with safety engaged on the ground under the fence. then cross one fence post away before picking the firearm up from the other side. Care taken to place the gun in a position that you are not grasping it by the muzzle and pulling it towards yourself. If in a team one passes his firearm to the other hunter then crosses and receives both guns from his partner before he crosses.
Useful - thank you.
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Take the bullets out before crossing the fence.
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Little John wrote:Take the bullets out before crossing the fence.
An extreme measure your Grandmother would want you to do but few shooters would find necessary in the field.
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Vortex2 wrote:
handed it to people who couldn't be trusted to keep their fingers out of the trigger guard,
That's why I prefer to shoot TOTALLY alone when in the field. No dog, no 'mate' to get in the way.
I don't mind mates. Mates I trust anyway.
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vtsnowedin wrote:
Vortex2 wrote:.. crossing a fence with a firearm is dangerous.
A safe procedure for fence crossing is drilled into students during their firearms safety course. If alone you place the firearm with safety engaged on the ground under the fence. then cross one fence post away before picking the firearm up from the other side. Care taken to place the gun in a position that you are not grasping it by the muzzle and pulling it towards yourself. If in a team one passes his firearm to the other hunter then crosses and receives both guns from his partner before he crosses.
Sounds all terribly complex.
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vtsnowedin wrote:
Little John wrote:Take the bullets out before crossing the fence.
An extreme measure your Grandmother would want you to do but few shooters would find necessary in the field.
Grandma would love this idea, wouldn't she?
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vtsnowedin wrote:
Little John wrote:Take the bullets out before crossing the fence.
An extreme measure your Grandmother would want you to do but few shooters would find necessary in the field.
Well, then it's not that dangerous unless one is an idiot in which case there is little point in worrying about what an idiot may do because idiots do what idiots do...right?
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Do hunters hunt in groups? Yes quite often, especially when hunting birds being flushed by dogs. You move through in a line and as the birds flush you take the ones crossing in front of you. Driving deer the drivers all wear orange and the deer usually pass the posters well before the drivers come into sight. In Pennsylvania the law is you can not have more then twenty-five men in a drive but today it would be hard to find that many men willing to follow one captains directions.
As to unloading a gun to cross a fence, that adds chances for mishaps when you have new hunters loading and unloading their weapon in the poor light of morning walk in or evening retreat. You move forward with the gun loaded and on safety all the time so laying it down on the ground does not require you to make it more safe. Some older firearms require you to take the safety off to open the action to unload it. Better to just leave it loaded and on safe.
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Well, if hunters hunt in groups, perhaps a very good idea might be to weed out the idiots before one goes go hunting in groups.

What I am getting at here is that if climbing over a fence whilst having a loaded gun is not a dangerous thing to do so long as one is not an idiot and follows some simple safety protocols and given that idiots cannot be trusted to follow safety protocols then either:

Hunting groups weed out the idiots at the point of selection for inclusion in the group. In which case, why the drama over the climbing of fences?

Or, hunting groups do not weed out the idiots at selection for inclusion in the group, in which case, why do you suppose idiots are going to start paying attention to safety protocols?
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ReserveGrowthRulz wrote: So I ejected the live round in the chamber, left the bolt open and magazine in, and oriented the sun to hit the bolt face so I could use the light to see if anything was in the barrel. Imagine my surprise when Grandma, glancing out the dining room window that faced the field, happened to notice me doing this.

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Cost me a month without my gun I believe. I didn't take my first hunter/firearm safety class until I was 11, a few months before deer season began, and I got use REAL firearms.
With the bolt open that was a perfectly safe thing to do but you will never tell the Grandmas that.
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