New coronavirus in/from China

[UndercoverElephant]

It has exploded in South Korea. 31 new cases confirmed, making a total of 82. Nearly all of them infected at a church service which had over 1000 attendees.

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1230296829079826434

[Mean Mr Mustard II]

From the Wiki entry on that church, it's more like a sinister Moony cult. There might be resistance to sharing follower personal info with the authorities for contact tracing.

[Mean Mr Mustard II]

It gets worse. The spreader refused to be tested and carried on attending services. 90 symptomatic.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... lt-cluster

Shincheonji claims that its founder, Lee Man-hee, has donned the mantle of Jesus Christ and will take 144,000 people with him to Heaven, body and soul, on the Day of Judgement.

So what's the betting that some of these fruitcakes are now running around the Seoul metro to joyfully fulfil that prophesy?

[Vortex2]

I have been wondering about the various videos showing people suddenly collapsing/dying as they walk along plus the random bodies lying around the place.

Are these fake videos or out of context videos?

Well, it seems not : flu has been found to trigger heart attacks either promptly or some time later.

Heart weakness, asthma, a second active infection can cause this ... or ... a cytokine storm, where the body is overreacting to the infection.

[Vortex2]

Caution : aspirin etc can extend infection duration and increase mortality.

Elevated temperatures are part of the body's defence system - so prematurely reducing temperatures can mess up that protection system.

There is however a threshold temperature above which you should start giving aspirin etc ... I believe this is 102 deg F .. but this needs confirmation.

UPDATE : A medical report discussing medication of febrile children suggests 38.8C = 101.8 F

[vtsnowedin]

In 1918 my father was in France on their way up to the front when the Spanish flue went through their training camp. One morning while they were lining up for formation the soldier behind him goosed him in the back. my father turned to knock some respect into him but pulled his punch when he saw how pale the solder was and realized he had almost passed out causing the contact. The man was dead by retreat that evening. My fathers artillery unit only moved up to the front in the last push that broke German resistance so was only on the battlefield for a couple of weeks. The Flue killed far more of his unit then the Germans did.

[Vortex2]

Mixing paracetamol and ibuprofen:

Some medical sites, reports etc suggest that alternating paracetamol and ibuprofen can be more effective than a single medication.

It also has the benefit of reducing toxicity risks.

Disclaimer: I am not a doctor so check with your GP before trying this!

[UndercoverElephant]

In 1918 my father was in France on their way up to the front when the Spanish flue went through their training camp. One morning while they were lining up for formation the soldier behind him goosed him in the back. my father turned to knock some respect into him but pulled his punch when he saw how pale the solder was and realized he had almost passed out causing the contact. The man was dead by retreat that evening. My fathers artillery unit only moved up to the front in the last push that broke German resistance so was only on the battlefield for a couple of weeks. The Flue killed far more of his unit then the Germans did.

Arghh. Sorry to be a spelling nazi but it is FLU. No E on the end.

[vtsnowedin]

In 1918 my father was in France on their way up to the front when the Spanish flue went through their training camp. One morning while they were lining up for formation the soldier behind him goosed him in the back. my father turned to knock some respect into him but pulled his punch when he saw how pale the solder was and realized he had almost passed out causing the contact. The man was dead by retreat that evening. My fathers artillery unit only moved up to the front in the last push that broke German resistance so was only on the battlefield for a couple of weeks. The Flue killed far more of his unit then the Germans did.

Arghh. Sorry to be a spelling nazi but it is FLU. No E on the end.

You sound about as sorry as a little brother with the last cookie in his mouth.
I'm a technician not a writer or English teacher so have never claimed to be a good speller or proficient grammarian. Point taken of course.

[Vortex2]

There is a story in the guardian about a Chinese film director and three members of his family dieing and his wife very ill after they self quarantined. It is not clear if they died at home, but with that level of cross infection, those videos of body bags in the streets do not seem quite so obviously fake news.

Hi - looked for this story without luck ... do you have a link? Thanks.

FOUND IT! https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... n-covid-19

That is the scariest thing I have read so far ... this is NOT winter flu or the sniffles.

[Vortex2]

A question for our gun toting US and Canadian colleagues:

Have you cleaned your guns and checked your ammo stocks in the face of the virus doom?

[adam2]

A question for our gun toting US and Canadian colleagues:

Have you cleaned your guns and checked your ammo stocks in the face of the virus doom?

No harm in a brief and factual reply to this enquiry. Any significant arguments about guns and gun control will be deleted. There are at least two existing threads for gun arguments.
This thread is about coronavirus, not guns and gun control.

[clv101]

FOUND IT! https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... n-covid-19

That is the scariest thing I have read so far ... this is NOT winter flu or the sniffles.

Agreed, the 34 year old doctor receiving good medical care (and now his partner?) along with this family simply doesn't square with a 2% fatality rate (already 10-20x regular flu) focused on the elderly with preexisting medical conditions.

The situation in Japan, South Korea and now Iran is also very worrying. The narrative out of China that they are getting on top of this, returning to work etc also doesn't fit the bigger picture.

It seems like the absolute best case scenario is a global recession in 2020, even if this virus does die down in the coming months. The worst case could see a billion fatalities (from the virus, but also from the collapse of regular health care and the global economy) over next couple of years and the collapse of globalization.

Edit: daughter had a high temperature last night, fine today though.

[UndercoverElephant]

The narrative out of China that they are getting on top of this, returning to work etc also doesn't fit the bigger picture.

They are getting on top of it compared to what was going on before they even tried to get on top of it. Looks very likely though that all they can do in Wuhan is slow it down without killing it off, which means the epidemic will just take off again as soon as people returning to normal life.

Meanwhile, there is a rumour of a big spike in cases in Beijing, and that a Wuhan-styly lockdown is coming there too.

It seems like the absolute best case scenario is a global recession in 2020, even if this virus does die down in the coming months. The worst case could see a billion fatalities (from the virus, but also from the collapse of regular health care and the global economy) over next couple of years and the collapse of globalization.

Something like that, yes. We may be passing Peak Globalisation.

[clv101]

From www.avianflutalk.com


That's a couple of weeks of (non Chinese) exponential growth, ~10% per day.

One warning though, at the start of the spread, there wouldn't be much testing, so today's new cases will include some historical cases that are only now being captured. I'd expect that 10% rate of growth to slow over he next couple of weeks as we catch up with historical cases and genuinely count new cases.