New coronavirus in/from China

[Mean Mr Mustard II]

This paper has a good sample size (1099) of hospitalised cases, lots of interesting data.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101 ... 20020974v1

The median incubation period was 3.0 days (range, 0 to 24.0 days).

That result is quite interesting and may help to explain why this virus is so infectious. If it can take 24 days to incubate, that might suggest a very small amount of virus can cause infection. You don't need to be blasted with loads of it. It just takes a while for it to reproduce sufficiently to cause symptoms.

Undermines the 14 day quarantine. The cruise ship field trial might prove the point. Assuming the air con isn't still circulating it all around.

[BritDownUnder]

An interesting story from the Grauniad about Super Spreaders, people who spread diseases far more efficiently than others.

From my limited understanding of epidemilogy the normal coronavirus infecter spreads it to 2.1 other people. This well travelled individual caught it in Singapore then took a flight to France and went to a chalet and infected a further five people, then took a flight to the UK, went to a pub and infected god knows how many more.

I suspect he of one of those people who doesn't bother to put his hand or better still a cloth hanky, in front of his face when sneezing. My brother used to do that a lot and spread diseases around our house. Or could be one of those people who sneeze really loudly in public with a whooping sound. A bit like those tennis players who grunt when they hit the ball.

Maybe, but I doubt it given my even more limited knowledge of the Law, he could be prosecuted under the Law of Tort for creating a nuisance. Since it happened in France maybe he could be prosecuted under their Roman Law for something. Those damn frogs must be cursing 'les Anglais pefidious' for another Mad Cow type disease brought to their country.

[Little John]

The concept of "superspreaders" is not very well biologically defined in the media.

In purely biological terms, it means someone who physically sheds an unusually large number of virus particles - especially if they are asymptomatic themselves.

[mikepepler]

The concept of "superspreaders" is not very well biologically defined in the media.

In purely biological terms, it means someone who physically sheds an unusually large number of virus particles - especially if they are asymptomatic themselves.

It's combining that with certain social and personal habits, and being infectious with no symptoms, that causes the problems...

[mikepepler]

I bought ten FFP3 rated masks a couple of weeks ago, and they had already gone up from £16 to £30. Now they're £60.

[mikepepler]

From https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/ ... -hong-kong

A second GP surgery branch in Brighton has been shut following the outbreak of coronavirus in the city, the Press Association reports.

The County Oak Medical Centre was closed on Monday “because of an urgent operational health and safety reason�, following reports a member of staff there was one of those infected.

On Tuesday morning it emerged that a second branch of the surgery – located less than two miles away – has also been closed.

A sign fixed to the door of the Deneway branch says: “The surgery is closed due to organisational health and safety reasons. Please contact 111 if you need to speak to a health professional.�

[mikepepler]

and also:

South Korea has advised citizens not to travel to Japan, Taiwan, Malaysia, Vietnam, Thailand and Singapore.

[UndercoverElephant]

From (11:16 GMT 11/02/2020)- https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/ ... -hong-kong

"A member of Brighton and Hove city’s council’s health board, Prof Samer Bagaeen, has expressed concern that the number of people infected in the area may be much higher than suggested." [From Guardian]

A member of Brighton and Hove city’s council’s health board, Prof Samer Bagaeen, has expressed concern that the number of people infected in the area may be much higher than suggested.

Cllr Bagaeen accused the council of failing to keep Brighton and Hove residents fully informed about the coronavirus outbreak on the south coast. He also claimed the council had instructed local elected representatives not to talk to journalists.

I think they have not been straight with everyone from the start and have intentionally hid the implications of the infections. We don’t know who in the city has been exposed and where.
I am finding details about incidents from newspapers days after they have happened. We should have been informed since day one.
You have people who are ‘self isolating’ but could still be going to the shops. And the council has told us councillors that we must not speak to journalists.

f***ing disgraceful. There is a major scandal brewing here.

[mikepepler]

From (11:16 GMT 11/02/2020)- https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/ ... -hong-kong

"A member of Brighton and Hove city’s council’s health board, Prof Samer Bagaeen, has expressed concern that the number of people infected in the area may be much higher than suggested." [From Guardian]

A member of Brighton and Hove city’s council’s health board, Prof Samer Bagaeen, has expressed concern that the number of people infected in the area may be much higher than suggested.

Cllr Bagaeen accused the council of failing to keep Brighton and Hove residents fully informed about the coronavirus outbreak on the south coast. He also claimed the council had instructed local elected representatives not to talk to journalists.

I think they have not been straight with everyone from the start and have intentionally hid the implications of the infections. We don’t know who in the city has been exposed and where.
I am finding details about incidents from newspapers days after they have happened. We should have been informed since day one.
You have people who are ‘self isolating’ but could still be going to the shops. And the council has told us councillors that we must not speak to journalists.

f***ing disgraceful. There is a major scandal brewing here.

They've learned nothing from China...

[UndercoverElephant]

https://www.theargus.co.uk/news/1822537 ... g-control/

[mikepepler]

Another potential problem:

Patcham Nursing Home in Brighton confirmed on Tuesday that it has "closed to all visitors" after one of the infected GPs visited a patient there.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51459210

[stumuz1]

Mrs Stumuz has just completed the free WHO course on nCoV: methods for detection, prevention, response and control

https://openwho.org/courses/introduction-to-ncov

Quick synopsis, masks are not that important unless you are a health care professional or you actually have the virus.

Washing your hands as often as possible is the message.

If it spreads, gloves will be your best friend.

[mikepepler]

Mrs Stumuz has just completed the free WHO course on nCoV: methods for detection, prevention, response and control

https://openwho.org/courses/introduction-to-ncov

Quick synopsis, masks are not that important unless you are a health care professional or you actually have the virus.

Washing your hands as often as possible is the message.

If it spreads, gloves will be your best friend.

All good advice! One plus point for masks is that wearing one reminds you not to touch your face, even if it's not doing anything else useful. I guess gloves could have the same effect though.

[Mean Mr Mustard II]

I've looked for, but can't find, the specific regs governing the extent of the SofS Health new powers declared yesterday. Other than enforcing quarantine on those reluctant to comply, as reported in the media.

Are there other powers, such as banning social gatherings, be that local pubs, to national venues? Closing down shops, public transport on a selective basis? Cordons of hotspots? Or does all that require COBR meeting, declaration and invocation of the Civil Contingencies Act 2004?

If anyone knows, be interested. Gonna keep digging here.

[adam2]

From (11:16 GMT 11/02/2020)- https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/ ... -hong-kong

"A member of Brighton and Hove city’s council’s health board, Prof Samer Bagaeen, has expressed concern that the number of people infected in the area may be much higher than suggested." [From Guardian]

A member of Brighton and Hove city’s council’s health board, Prof Samer Bagaeen, has expressed concern that the number of people infected in the area may be much higher than suggested.

Cllr Bagaeen accused the council of failing to keep Brighton and Hove residents fully informed about the coronavirus outbreak on the south coast. He also claimed the council had instructed local elected representatives not to talk to journalists.

I think they have not been straight with everyone from the start and have intentionally hid the implications of the infections. We don’t know who in the city has been exposed and where.
I am finding details about incidents from newspapers days after they have happened. We should have been informed since day one.
You have people who are ‘self isolating’ but could still be going to the shops. And the council has told us councillors that we must not speak to journalists.

f***ing disgraceful. There is a major scandal brewing here.

They've learned nothing from China...

I think that they have learned a lot from china.
Manage the news, restrict bad news.
Prohibit talking to the press, AKA "spreading rumours"