NHS vs. USA healthcare.

[stumuz1]

His name is Jordan Williams

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... n-williams

[vtsnowedin]

Well if it is in the Guardian? A story about one wrestler, but certainly there must be thousands like him. No price too high for information such as that.

[stumuz1]

I know i'm honing in on a single point, but why do some poor people in the US take dog insulin instead of human insulin?

I don't know where you got this story line. Certainly not from me so I have no idea if it is factual or anything about it.

And what about the uninsured, working-age Americans have a 40 percent higher death risk than privately insured counterparts?

I am off out now for the new year festivities, so will not be in a fit state to give you a considered reply!

Happy new year to you and your family.

[vtsnowedin]

I know i'm honing in on a single point, but why do some poor people in the US take dog insulin instead of human insulin?

I don't know where you got this story line. Certainly not from me so I have no idea if it is factual or anything about it.

And what about the uninsured, working-age Americans have a 40 percent higher death risk than privately insured counterparts?

I am off out now for the new year festivities, so will not be in a fit state to give you a considered reply!

Happy new year to you and your family.

Same to you. This discussion can certainly wait until after the hangovers.

[woodburner]

There is something going wrong when people are dying because the paradigm is they cannot get access to “health services�. This is understandable for trauma cases, where getting broken bones fixed is demonstrably beneficial, but for chronic conditions, I would suggest most of those conditions could be reduced by life style choices. This would be food without any industrial meddling before consumption, understanding that saturated fats from animals do not contribute to heart disease, high LDL, hyrertension or diabetes. Conversely high intake of refined carbohydrates do all of those things.

Here’s Robert Lustig’s lecture which I posted in the Brexit topic before I read this one. It’s a long lecture, and complex enough to need more than one viewing to take it all in. Even then, unless you are a bio-chemist, you still won’t get it all. If you choose not to view videos, then reading John Yudkin’s “Pure White and Deadly� covers much of it, and this was published in the 1970s. Yudkin was way ahead of the mainstream.

Worth remembering that around 20% of obese people have no metabolic syndrome. They are as healthy as non-obese people, and also there are plenty of non-obese people who do have metabolic syndrome, which is mostly caused by poor western high carbohydrate diets.

[fuzzy]

Its more than lifestyle choices there is a whole system of food mafia. Doctors have faced legal claims against their medical licences for trying to go against the food pyramid eg Tim Noakes - RSA and Gary Fettke - Aus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6LL92Zs5L0

[vtsnowedin]

The high deductibles in the current US system are certainly a problem that needs to be corrected going forward. They are a relatively recent development and a response to rapidly rising costs over the last decade or so.
Perhaps a rule that requires insurance companies to provide a quarter or half of the annual premiums in healthcare before any deductible or cost splitting can occur.
This would remove the incentive to avoid regular preventive care and early treatment of conditions which are the most beneficial uses of healthcare.

[kenneal - lagger]

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Worth remembering that around 20% of obese people have no metabolic syndrome. They are as healthy as non-obese people, and also there are plenty of non-obese people who do have metabolic syndrome, which is mostly caused by poor western high carbohydrate diets.

Worth remembering that about 50% of the England rugby team, and the Premiership sides too, are considered obese but they are among the fittest people in the world. They pack carbs before a match but they are complex carbs rather than refined.