General Election Dec 2019 thread

[Lord Beria3]

Regarding the video stumuz1 makes two points.

If the references are racist if boris allegedly said them why aren't they racist if Corbyn said them.

Are you questioning whether the examples used in the video are anti semitic? In that case do you think the cases referenced above are clearly anti semitic in nature or not?

[Little John]

Regarding the video stumuz1 makes two points.

If the references are racist if boris allegedly said them why aren't they racist if Corbyn said them.

Are you questioning whether the examples used in the video are anti semitic? In that case do you think the cases referenced above are clearly anti semitic in nature or not?

They are not antisemtic. Or, at least, there is nothing in them pointing to antisemitism in Jeremy Corbyn. However, the point of them was to invite and encourage these Labour supporters to vocally state them to be as such because they were fooled into thinking it was about Johnson. But, that is because these supporters in the video are morons. Indeed, we may be sure that is the basis on which they they were selected for interview.

So what?

The narrative the makers of this video and you, by disseminating it here, are attempting to construct with this video is pathetic.

[Little John]

I provided a link, can you not read LJ.

A few quotes since reading the report was too much to ask for...

"Members of the party have also described antisemitic behaviour from employees. One former staffer of the Leader’s Office (“LOTO�) reported that he had been subjected to an “inquisition� about being Jewish, including his views on Israel."

One respondent lists 22 examples of antisemitic abuse which have been directed at him at various CLP meetings. Examples include being called “a Tory Jew�, “a child killer�, “Zio scum�, being told that “[he’s] good with money�, “to shut the f*** up Jew�, “that Hitler was right�

“A member reports that, at a CLP meeting, other members defended an individual who repeated an antisemitic trope that it is ‘the over-representation of Jews in the capitalist ruling class that gives the Israel-Zionist lobby its power."

“A parliamentary candidate describes witnessing a member tell a Jewish councillor to go home and count their money after they were deselected."

“One member described how he shared a breakfast table with two delegates who had not met before. They quickly agreed that Jews were “subhuman�, “didn’t deserve to be allowed to define what constitutes antisemitism� and should be “grateful we don’t make them eat bacon…"

“A speaker at a fringe event asserted a right to discuss whether the Holocaust happened. Nobody called out the behaviour. When the floor was opened up to audience questions, a member commented that American police who killed black teenagers were probably trained in Israel"

1), is there corroborative witness evidence for these claims or are they uncorroborated?

2) Are any names given of the alleged perpetrators? If it is that widespread, this should be easy, right?

[Lord Beria3]

Your second comment is interesting. So you accept some of it was anti semitism? E.g. jews blood libel and they run the world banking system.

And what about the quotes from the report?

[Lord Beria3]

Assuming the stories are true and witnesses back them up do you accept these are anti semitic instances?

[Lord Beria3]

what would be classified as anti semitism in your book.

Holocaust denial?

[Little John]

I have already answered your first talking point. If every single person who a politician was directly or indirectly associated with at some point in their career was used in this manner to traduce the politician in question, there would not be a single politician "fit" for office by that metric. It is the nature of politics.

I have addressed your quotes. These are, so far as can be seen, unsubstantiated uncorroborated accusations.

[Little John]

what would be classified as anti semitism in your book.

Holocaust denial?

Has Corbyn engaged in denial of the existence of the mass murdering of European Jewry in the second world war? Is there any endemic evidence of such denials in the Labour party?

We both know the answer to those questions don't we.

I say all of this, by the way, as no lover of either Corbyn or the Labour party as currently constructed.

Is this the level of bullshit you think passes as intelligent debate on here?

You are not down the local pub debating with numpties.

[UndercoverElephant]

they run the world banking system.

You do understand that, at least historically, they did run the world banking system, right?

That isn't antisemitism. That's historical fact.

[Lord Beria3]

Amazing stuff.

Its like getting blood out of stone.

LJ why don't you read the f***ing report. It's a legal submission and the equalities commission will fully investigate the allegations.

If the equalities commission conclude labour is institutionally racist, after taking to witnesses and collecting evidence, which they must as a statutory body, will you accept their assessment?

[Lord Beria3]

Regarding world banking you are wrong UE. The Rothschilds had immense influence over european banking in the 19th century but lots of very wealthy gentiles ran banking globally.

JP Morgan and Rockefeller in america dominated the capitalist system between them. Neither were Jewish.

The middle east has always been heavily influenced by the Lebanese. The east had the great British merchant banking lines.

I could go on. You have inadvertedly made my point on myths which are still widely believed among the populace.

[Little John]

Amazing stuff.

Its like getting blood out of stone.

LJ why don't you read the f***ing report. It's a legal submission and the equalities commission will fully investigate the allegations.

If the equalities commission conclude labour is institutionally racist, after taking to witnesses and collecting evidence, which they must as a statutory body, will you accept their assessment?

I believe precisely nothing at face value coming out of our state organs or their various affiliated outlets in our "independent" press. Corroborated, independently verifiable evidence is the only thing I do believe. I do this because I am not a moron.

[UndercoverElephant]

Regarding world banking you are wrong UE. The Rothschilds had immense influence over european banking in the 19th century but lots of very wealthy gentiles ran banking globally.

JP Morgan and Rockefeller in america dominated the capitalist system between them. Neither were Jewish.

The middle east has always been heavily influenced by the Lebanese. The east had the great British merchant banking lines.

I could go on. You have inadvertedly made my point on myths which are still widely believed among the populace.

It's not a myth. Rothschilds and Goldman Sachs were both Jewish firms, and Jewish involvement in banking and gold dealing went back centuries before then. There are religious reasons for this. There were religious reasons why christians and muslims were prohibited from lending money at interest (at least to other christians and muslims).

[clv101]

UE, not looking so good for the Tories down your way:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 35281.html

[Lord Beria3]

You claimed the jews ran world banking.

My answer refuted that. Jewish banking families are involved in banking but do not run it.

Lots of non jewish banking groups involved in global banking as well. JP Morgan was far more influential than the Rothschilds in the latter half of the 19th and 20th centuries.