General Election Dec 2019 thread

emordnilap · Post by **emordnilap** » 22 Nov 2019, 19:43

UndercoverElephant wrote:
Lord Beria3 wrote:Focus groups suggesting that labours 4 day week proposal is seen as lacking credibility.
I think it needs to be explained better. There need to be checks and balances, and it couldn't apply to everybody. Won't make the slightest difference to a self-employed person like myself, for example.

Best thing I ever did was go to a four-day week. Net wage barely decreased and I had a three-day weekend. Wonderful. The work was still done: in fact I enjoyed being under a bit more pressure - though I didn't do five days' work in four, it didn't work like that.

Everyone should do a four-day week: the dreams of ever-more leisure time!

fuzzy · Post by **fuzzy** » 22 Nov 2019, 20:42

It doesn't need explaining, it needs employers having an incentive to employ people on 4 day weeks. You can't just order them. Why would they want to pay more NI, employ more staff, more HR, - employ people who don't want overtime or changing rota?

Change the tax system correctly and it would happen. Why would the immigrant moonbeam chasers then want to come for 4 days pay? Then the house renting market collapses and the city is screaming to whitehall - no more banqueting house for Hilllary and Boris..

Palindrome you are being deliberately obtuse if you think workers have much choice in this. I work part time but there are very few employers in few professions interested. Even those who advertise part time don't want a worker who CHOOSES part time work. They want the power.

emordnilap · Post by **emordnilap** » 22 Nov 2019, 20:57

fuzzy wrote:It doesn't need explaining, it needs employers having an incentive to employ people on 4 day weeks. You can't just order them. Why would they want to pay more NI, employ more staff, more HR, - employ people who don't want overtime or changing rota?

Change the tax system correctly and it would happen. Why would the immigrant moonbeam chasers then want to come for 4 days pay? Then the house renting market collapses and the city is screaming to whitehall - no more banqueting house for Hilllary and Boris..

Palindrome you are being deliberately obtuse if you think workers have much choice in this. I work part time but there are very few employers in few professions interested. Even those who advertise part time don't want a worker who CHOOSES part time work. They want the power.

No obtuseness - merely pointing out how satisfying it was to have a three-day weekend. I wish everyone would/could try it. Thatcher-created debt prevents most people.

Post by **clv101** » 22 Nov 2019, 22:22

Corbyn had a much better night today. Much more composed, comfortable and authoritative than the ITV debate. Johnson, was worse, more waffle, less detail, becoming a one trick Brexit pony. He also looked tired.

I still think Johnson will win a majority, but the momentum is with Labour.

UndercoverElephant · Post by **UndercoverElephant** » 22 Nov 2019, 23:00

clv101 wrote:Corbyn had a much better night today. Much more composed, comfortable and authoritative than the ITV debate. Johnson, was worse, more waffle, less detail, becoming a one trick Brexit pony. He also looked tired.

I still think Johnson will win a majority, but the momentum is with Labour.

Swinson died on that stage. Her campaign is broken. Really hard to say how that will influence the result. I don't think the tories are going to lose many seats to the libdems.

RevdTess · Post by **RevdTess** » 22 Nov 2019, 23:06

Some of us work six day weeks because the Lord only gave us one day of rest! Still, it's infinitely more rewarding than the five days in front of an office screen I used to do.

Potemkin Villager · Post by **Potemkin Villager** » 23 Nov 2019, 12:55

Sturgeon performed very impressively. I know Scottish nationalism gives many on this forum apoplexy but I would much rather live in a country led by someone with her talents rather than one led by Johnson.

Its fun watching him trying to follow his media training about not waving his arms around.

stumuz1 · Post by **stumuz1** » 23 Nov 2019, 12:59

clv101 wrote: momentum is with Labour.

In more ways than one!

RevdTess · Post by **RevdTess** » 23 Nov 2019, 13:12

Potemkin Villager wrote:Sturgeon performed very impressively. I know Scottish nationalism gives many on this forum apoplexy but I would much rather live in a country led by someone with her talents rather than one led by Johnson.

Amen to that. And I've often found the strongly unionist leanings of many Brexiteers to be confusing, since their logic about self-determination and national sovereignty seems to halt abruptly at Hadrian's wall, as if Westminster weren't as undemocratic as Brussels. Nicola Sturgeon and Mhairi Black are two of the very few politicians I'd be proud to go door-knocking for.

stumuz1 · Post by **stumuz1** » 23 Nov 2019, 13:23

Potemkin Villager wrote:Sturgeon performed very impressively.

But Nationalism is [IMHO] the lowest form of politics, the easiest to whip up xenophobic hatred, but difficult tp put back into the bottle.

Having lived in Wales all my life and witnessed bleating moaning nationalism first hand, it is really depressing to see it gathering pace in Scotland.

Essentially, Nationalism is blaming someone else for your political failures.

Ever noticed how nationalists all sound the same?

We are poor because you are rich. We have depopulation because you did not invest. We killed that person because we are fighting for the people of ........ fill in country of choice.

However, on a positive note, having witnessed the lows of Welsh nationalism ( burning English owned houses down, politicians calling English retirees a drain on resources and calling for ethnic cleansing) it fizzled out.

stumuz1 · Post by **stumuz1** » 23 Nov 2019, 13:25

RevdTess wrote:. Nicola Sturgeon and Mhairi Black are two of the very few politicians I'd be proud to go door-knocking for.

So why don't you?

Lord Beria3 · Post by **Lord Beria3** » 23 Nov 2019, 13:51

Nicola is a polished performer but talks bullshit. Her record in government has been a disaster but who cares - Freedom!

Boris performed well and jo had a bad night.

No game changing moments yet.

Lord Beria3 · Post by **Lord Beria3** » 23 Nov 2019, 14:15

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.indepe ... html%3famp

This review basically summed it up well for me.

The contrast between Corbyn and sturgeon was painful.

Snail · Post by **Snail** » 23 Nov 2019, 16:57

The SNP used to be more positive about Scotland. Now, its vision has reduced to 'get as many people in as speedily as possible so tax revenues can be increased'. Presumably to pay for the increase in services demanded by the extra population. But that's ok, because we can persuade even more to relocate to Scotland. Like some sort of unsustainable population pyramid scheme. As if the entire central belt isn't a near-future mega-city.

Oh, and to become another limpet EU, euro economy.

And, for some strange reason, Scotland from the UK will pose significantly less difficulties than the UK from the EU.

UndercoverElephant · Post by **UndercoverElephant** » 23 Nov 2019, 19:09

OK...I am now tending towards the view that Labour over-egged their manifesto. The four day week thing was too much - made it look like they don't believe they can win. Add that to the libdems imploding because Swinson is absolutely awful and it means the Tories are going to win the election. 20-30 majority. Although that's what I thought was going to happen last time until the exit poll came out.