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The latest Extinction Rebellion protest in London to bring lack of action over climate change to the government's attention.
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kenneal - lagger wrote:The latest Extinction Rebellion protest in London to bring lack of action over climate change to the government's attention.
Yes, an excellent attention grabbing idea.
A foolish person whom I know said "they should have given the house to a homeless family, rather than drop it into the river"

I tried to explain that it was not a REAL house but was a SIMULATION done to illustrate the growing dangers from flooding.

The fact that they noticed it is however interesting.
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ER classified as a terrorist group, by the police. Now rescinded.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51071959
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Why so? Their stated aim is to terrify people into panic. Greta’s their spokesman. Trying to terrify people is usually done by terrorists, hence the name.
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If an anti-Christ was ever going to appear, it would probably take the form of Greta Thunberg. Just sayin.
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Just been listening to Radio 4 World at One's coverage of the World Economic forum conference at Davos with Trump and then Thunberg being given turns to address the conference.

It was an absolute f***ing farce that a clearly media constructed Greta Thunberg, a psychologically impaired kid who has come out of nowhere and, in terms of life experiences does not know her arse from her elbow, has the Western MSm drooling over her every word.

Whatever one's view on ecological issues, anyone who cannot see this as the bullshit it is has to be either ignorant or a special kind of idiot.
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'Greta Thunberg, a psychologically impaired kid who has come out of nowhere and, in terms of life experiences does not know her arse from her elbow'

And yet, plenty of grown ups with life experience do nothing. There is nothing in what she says that is incorrect. Comments like the above are no different from the kind of tweet stuff that we have come to expect from Trump - condescending, ignorant, arrogant and straightforward bullying.
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woodburner wrote:Why so? Their stated aim is to terrify people into panic. Greta’s their spokesman. Trying to terrify people is usually done by terrorists, hence the name.
Agreed, terrify people. Into action though, not panic.
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eatyourveg wrote:'Greta Thunberg, a psychologically impaired kid who has come out of nowhere and, in terms of life experiences does not know her arse from her elbow'

And yet, plenty of grown ups with life experience do nothing. There is nothing in what she says that is incorrect. Comments like the above are no different from the kind of tweet stuff that we have come to expect from Trump - condescending, ignorant, arrogant and straightforward bullying.
Yes, yes, of course.

Being deeply critical of the ditching of evidence-based rigour for adolescent hysteria is so beastly isn't it.... :lol:
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Little John wrote:
eatyourveg wrote:'Greta Thunberg, a psychologically impaired kid who has come out of nowhere and, in terms of life experiences does not know her arse from her elbow'

And yet, plenty of grown ups with life experience do nothing. There is nothing in what she says that is incorrect. Comments like the above are no different from the kind of tweet stuff that we have come to expect from Trump - condescending, ignorant, arrogant and straightforward bullying.
Yes, yes, of course.

Being deeply critical of the ditching of evidence-based rigour for adolescent hysteria is so beastly isn't it.... :lol:
She literally quotes peer-reviewed scientific findings in her speeches!
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Unfortunately “peer reviewed� does not necessarily mean “rigorously examined�. There are plenty of examples of “peers� agreeing with the same wrong hypothesis while somebody getting it right was rejected for years, or even decades. The cause of stomach ulcers being one example.
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RenewableCandy wrote:
Little John wrote:
eatyourveg wrote:'Greta Thunberg, a psychologically impaired kid who has come out of nowhere and, in terms of life experiences does not know her arse from her elbow'

And yet, plenty of grown ups with life experience do nothing. There is nothing in what she says that is incorrect. Comments like the above are no different from the kind of tweet stuff that we have come to expect from Trump - condescending, ignorant, arrogant and straightforward bullying.
Yes, yes, of course.

Being deeply critical of the ditching of evidence-based rigour for adolescent hysteria is so beastly isn't it.... :lol:
She literally quotes peer-reviewed scientific findings in her speeches!
Like bollocks she does. Or, at least, she does so on a very selective basis delivered with adolescent hysteria in order to promote the idea that the science is mind-numbingly clear (it is not), the necessary actions are unquestionable (they are not) and that her task is simply to “continue to repeat� it until we are all bored into doing as she instructs us from a platform that has been afforded to her by the world's ruling globalist, neo-liberal, capitalist class who would much rather we were all hyperventilating over climate change instead of stringing them up from lamp-posts. Meanwhile a bought and paid for, ever fawning Western MSM obsequiously and unquestioningly hang on her every word.

Someone once said that ecological concerns in the absence of class struggle is nothing more than bourgeois gardening.

They were right.
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RenewableCandy wrote: She literally quotes peer-reviewed scientific findings in her speeches!
So did peak oilers. Look how that turned out for them.
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Little John wrote:..........Greta Thunberg, a psychologically impaired kid who has come out of nowhere and, in terms of life experiences does not know her arse from her elbow,.................
She is not psychologically impaired she has Aspergers Syndrome and as such she is probably more intelligent than anyone on this forum, and that includes Candy. She just thinks in a different way to the rest of us which doesn't make her impaired in any way.
Whatever one's view on ecological issues, anyone who cannot see this as the bullshit it is has to be either ignorant or a special kind of idiot.
LJ you have been reading too much "Spiked" nonsense and your intellect is being impaired.

Just because journalist Brendan O'Neill says a lot of things that you agree with politically doesn't mean that his opinions, and it is only his opinion, on Climate Science have any validity or even make any sense. Just because he thinks that doing something about Climate Change might hit the working class doesn't mean that the science is wrong and the problem shouldn't be addressed.

Yes, doing something about climate change without addressing the gross inequality in the world will hit the working class hardest but doing nothing about climate change and not addressing the gross inequality will hit the working classes even harder. Without doing anything sea level will rise, the rich will just move right out of the way and build/buy a nice shiny new house in a gated community and leave the working classes to sink or swim and find a hovel somewhere to shelter in.

The rich will be able to buy the food that they want, for a while, while the working classes will starve from the onset of the food shortages that are certain to come with a changing climate. The rich will set up their enclaves with food and energy stores and pay security to keep the working classes out. That will work for a while until the stores run out by which time the working classes will have been decimated by starvation and disease but the all rich's riches won't be worth a loaf of bread.

The only thing that might mitigate the disaster to come is doing what Greta Thunberg is advocating with her youthful enthusiasm and addressing the causes of climate change while, at the same time, addressing the rampant economic inequality in the world. Growth cannot carry on indefinitely and the poor will not allow themselves to be further impoverished so the rich are going to have to share their wealth or have it taken from them.

It probably won't be the working classes in this country who do the taking because they are, even the poorest, still rich compared with most of the poor in the world. It will be the migrants who will flood out of Africa and the Middle East with nothing but the clothes on their backs and a Kalashnikov and spread like a tidal wave across Europe taking what they can get on the way. And again it will be the working classes who will bear the brunt of this onslaught. It always is because they have enough to make them want to stay but not enough to enable them to move or to move fast enough.

The rich can just take their jewellery and cash and hop on their private jet and retreat to their guarded, fully furnished and provisioned hideaway. The poor will put all their precious belongings on their "cart" and join the countless thousands in traffic jams making their slow way across Europe as countless generations of refugees have done before them before they too are overwhelmed by the hoards and starvation.

Your current guru, Brendan O'Neill is so far to the left, LJ, that he has met the far right only he hasn't and you haven't realised it yet. LJ, you could go to a National Front rally and if it weren't for the banners you would feel quite at home as they aren't saying anything much different from what O'Neill says.
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kenneal - lagger wrote:
Little John wrote:..........Greta Thunberg, a psychologically impaired kid who has come out of nowhere and, in terms of life experiences does not know her arse from her elbow,.................
She is not psychologically impaired she has Aspergers Syndrome and as such she is probably more intelligent than anyone on this forum, and that includes Candy. She just thinks in a different way to the rest of us which doesn't make her impaired in any way.
Okay Ken. On this first point, I'm just going to have to be blunt about it. You don't know what you are talking about and I do. It's my academic background. Aspergers syndrome is wholly unrelated to IQ. You can get it if you are thick and you can get it if you are bright and everywhere in between. Though, of course, a relatively high/low IQ will affect the specific psychological/behavioral expression of Aspergers syndrome as it will affect the expression of any number of psychological conditions.

As for thinking in a different way. Yes, that is certainly true. As for whether this impairs functioning. To some extent, that depends on what you are referring to. But, all other thing being equal, having Aspergers can be very impairing. Especially in terms of social skills and interpersonal relations.

I will address your other points later. I'm busy right now.
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