ReserveGrowthRulz wrote:BritDownUnder wrote:I think President Trump has made a good decision.
Abandoning ones allies is really a good decision.
BritDownUnder wrote:
Supporting the Kurds because they are not fronting onto an international waterway is unsustainable strategically. The only way they have been supported up until now is by 'bribing' the Iraqis and Turks. Trump could save a lot of money by pulling out.
Sure, AMERICA could save a lot of money abandoning their allies. I wonder how Australia would do by themselves if the ChiComs decided they would rather own your resources rather than buy them?
BritDownUnder wrote:
I say the US should withdraw and if necessary supply the Kurds with suitable weapons to wage asymmetric warfare against their opponents. Let the whole area descend into a Battle Royale kind of mess with Turks, ISIS and Saudis on one side against Syria, Iran, Iraq and Kurds on the other. The Israelis probably can't believe their luck with all their enemies fighting each other.
America providing military support for allies to fight other NATO alliance countries is a bit of a counterproductive exercise.
The Israelis really are coming out ahead in all of this. Better them then most of the other participants.
BritDownUnder wrote:
About the Kurds in particular they are hardly worthy of help. Just over 100 years ago they were willingly helping the Turks murder Armenians and Assyrians in order to settle their lands.
The same could be said about the Brits, Americans, and just about every other country that has been around for awhile. Boer concentration camps spring to mind? The partitioning of India maybe and knock on consequences maybe?
Ghosts in every countries past I imagine. Combat reliable partners outside of the Israelis in the ME are hard to find, and the Kurds seemed like some good ones.
You could argue that the US abandoned South Vietnam on cost grounds. perhaps you should have encouraged "Kurdistanisation" in that region, declared victory and left. It is also interesting to note that there was also talk of Presidential impeachment at that time as well.
So to answer your question - abandoning your allies, or more correctly the enemies of your enemies - is a good decision when it does not benefit you. I think eventually you will be forced to abandon Taiwan when the Chinese get too strong.
The Kurds were controlling large areas of Syria north of the Euphrates river - almost half of the area of the whole country including large areas with a majority Sunni-Arab population while the Kurds are only 10% of the Syrian population as a whole. This is strategically untenable along with the US support for them which requires the cooperation or either Iraq or Turkey.
I still agree with Trump that you have wasted $5 trillion dollars in the Middle East with no tangible gain.
Your Iran policy just results in China and a few other countries getting discounted Iranian oil at the same time ruining the Iran economy.
As for Australia the Chinese are getting stronger in this region every day. They already own a lot of Australian resources but don't export much from Australia if they can get it from Africa or South America. I would like to see Australia getting nukes right now as a deterrence. Stopping immigration and cash to Labor politicians from Mainland China might also be a good idea. As for the strategic agreement between the US and Australia I understand that Australia pays for all US bases here and you got strategic support from Australia in Korea, Vietnam and Afghanistan. I don't recall many Kurds helping you in those places but I do think the Turks helped you in one battle in the Korean War.
You also get access to the Indian Ocean from Fremantle Naval Base and use of long range radar, eavesdropping and satellite tracking hardware located in Australia so I think you get a good deal. Pull out if you wish and blind yourself in one eye.
By all means over-extend yourselves strategically on borrowed Chinese money. You will go the way of the Western Roman Empire. It won't end well for anyone except China.