Extinction Rebellion, ongoing disscussion.

[kenneal - lagger]

I took our French WWOOFer to the School Strike this morning and it was well attended. There must have been three or four times as many people as normal there with a lot of adults and plenty of Extinction Rebellion flags and placards.

The LibDems are pushing their environmental policies and have changed their usual yellow placards to green! For some reason I always get the impression that the LibDems will say and do whatever it takes to get votes rather than what they actually believe or even know about!

[emordnilap]

For some reason I always get the impression that t̶h̶e̶ ̶L̶i̶b̶D̶e̶m̶s̶ politicians will say and do whatever it takes to get votes rather than what they actually believe or even know about!

Fixed that for you.

[Little John]

Right okay. So, it's probably time to say something about all of the "climate crisis" protests that are happening all of a sudden in Western countries.

The problem of climate change, whilst certainly not a fiction, is not particularly any worse today than it was last year or the year before that. What is happening here is just another variant of what has been happening at an accelerating rate for a number of years now.

In order to quell, redirect and otherwise dilute the growing anger and unrest in the masses at the growing difficulties of their lives, our ruling classes are taking existing (legitimate) concerns on other subjects and inflating them to monstrous proportions in order to keep our minds off our more immediate and pressing problem, which is those same ruling classes. And they have even taken to encouraging our kids to worry themselves witless as part of that agenda. Not least, by manipulating a vulnerable autistic child to the status of international "guru" in the form of Greta Thunberg.

Additionally, they are encouraging and facilitating the mobilization of the (largely) petite beurgoise sectors of our societies to take to the streets with their own kids and engage in their perennially favorite activity - virtue signalling to the rest of us who are too busy working our f***ing arses off in order to pay the gas and rent to find the time to paint a placard and "save the world".

From "white privilege" to "black lives matter" to "the patriarchy" to "toxic masculinity" to "bend a knee" to "me too" to "Russia did it" to "pussy hats" to "trans toilets" to "extinction rebellion". These are all constructions of our ruling classes designed to turn black against white, young against old, men against women, gay against straight, the middle class against the working class and every other damned micro-idenity against each other. All in order to keep our minds off the one single identity that matters. The only one that unites us and binds us all together:

CLASS

Distract, divide and conquer; the oldest trick in a very old book of tricks.

[Little John]

[UndercoverElephant]

Right okay. So, it's probably time to say something about all of the "climate crisis" protests that are happening all of a sudden in Western countries.

The problem of climate change, whilst certainly not a fiction, is not particularly any worse today than it was last year or the year before that. What is happening here is just another variant of what has been happening at an accelerating rate for a number of years now.

The situation is changing, and faster than almost anybody expected. It is getting worse. The increasing level of protests is largely the result of a generation growing up with an awareness of the potential severity, and on a timescale which will very much effect their lives. You and me will be dead by the time it gets really bad, but they will only be our age now.

This process is going to intensify dramatically. Not that it will change anything. The people making the decisions only respond to money and violence.

At some point society is going to have to confront the fact that we are going to lose the battle against climate change. One day, in the forseeable future, the IPCC will have no choice but to release a report which lays bare the expected timescale for the collapse of the global economy and food supply system. The powers that be would much prefer to hide this, but they will not be able to do so.

I don't know what will happen next, but it is not likely to be pretty.

[eatyourveg]

There is no longer any doubt about it. Greta Thunberg is a threat to men. Not women it seems. Especially the type of men who are getting on a bit and are sure everyone else has it in for them via a vast, VAST I tell you, conspiracy.
Proof. The final proof. She and her handlers must be destroyed. And we twatty old white men must do this NOW. She is a clear and present threat.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... mate-demon

[emordnilap]

There is no longer any doubt about it. Greta Thunberg is a threat to men. Not women it seems. Especially the type of men who are getting on a bit and are sure everyone else has it in for them via a vast, VAST I tell you, conspiracy.
Proof. The final proof. She and her handlers must be destroyed. And we twatty old white men must do this NOW. She is a clear and present threat.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... mate-demon

A sixteen-year-old wants to improve things, therefore it logically follows that 'adult' white males must destroy her.

[kenneal - lagger]

It's just that the majority of very rich people in the USA are old white men and they are the ones who stand to lose from action on climate change. Once again the people who stand to lose first are young black children in the US and poor people the world over.

It's not a racist stance is just as things are although I wish they would add the bit about the old white men (you should see my hair at the moment!) being very rich as, otherwise, I get a bit twitchy.

[adam2]

I again met several Extinction Rebellion supporters in a local pub.
I remain impressed by their commitment to the cause, yet concerned at the widespread lack of basic scientific knowledge or even numeracy in some cases.

Also, several members seem to believe that political changes will alter physical facts. As an example, it was proposed that oil refineries should be run by "workers co-operatives" in order to reduce carbon emissions.
I fail to see how a change of ownership would reduce the carbon emissions of either the refinery itself, or more importantly of the fuels produced.
And the related suggestion that road fuel could be supplied at a reduced price to certain groups, would surely increase consumption.

At least two supporters believed that lead free petrol is OK because it is green, and that lead free diesel fuel should be introduced.

One members felt that methane produced from human or animal waste could meet a large proportion of our energy needs.

The usual myths about electricity were repeated.

[woodburner]

I took our French WWOOFer to the School Strike this morning and it was well attended. There must have been three or four times as many people as normal there with a lot of adults and plenty of Extinction Rebellion flags and placards.

The LibDems are pushing their environmental policies and have changed their usual yellow placards to green! For some reason I always get the impression that the LibDems will say and do whatever it takes to get votes rather than what they actually believe or even know about!

These people wouldn’t, in general, be so keen to make their “sacrifice� if the sacrifice was to be made on Saturday morning. Well Roger Hallam is getting good data in order to assess how gullible people are. They are so easily wound up about the questionable looming climate change catastrophe, but they cannot see the existential threat that 5g poses.

Spoiler alert - - - - The Maldives are still not under water. Nor is Manhattan.

Please explain why not.

[eatyourveg]

What is the threat that 5G poses? My phone uses 4G, whatever that is.

Is it this sort of thing?:

https://www.howtogeek.com/423720/how-wo ... sks-of-5g/

Or is it a conspiracy theory nutter thing? I and others need to know, it's important because I have a neighbour who buys into all of it (any conspiracy theory going, hard to keep up with it all) and this might keep his mind off the imminent collapse of the Bundesbank, which should have happened two weeks ago, and that business with Prince Phillip and the sex trafficking/drug ring.

In the event that I do find myself in the position of having to choose a 'pet' conspiracy theory, I'd like to know a. the best one, and b. how many clicks on Youtube to get to it.

[kenneal - lagger]

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Spoiler alert - - - - The Maldives are still not under water. Nor is Manhattan.

Please explain why not.

Quite simply because no one said that they would be, now! The climate crisis is not a Hollywood film as most people know, except perhaps woodburner, and these things take time. Manhatten won't be flooded to 7 metres in a few minutes. Those sort of things only happen in disaster movies or tsunamis, woodburner. Didn't you realise that?

The same sort of question was asked of the 1972 Limits to Growth Study. Deniers of the "woodburner" ilk straight away asked why the environment wasn't massively polluted or such and such a resource wasn't running out. Basically because the claim was that the problem would come in fifty or sixty years time. The questioner thought they were being clever but were basically showing their stupidity as with the above question.

[kenneal - lagger]

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Or is it a conspiracy theory nutter thing? I and others need to know, it's important because I have a neighbour who buys into all of it (any conspiracy theory going, hard to keep up with it all) and this might keep his mind off the imminent collapse of the Bundesbank, which should have happened two weeks ago, and that business with Prince Phillip and the sex trafficking/drug ring.

In the event that I do find myself in the position of having to choose a 'pet' conspiracy theory, I'd like to know a. the best one, and b. how many clicks on Youtube to get to it.

Look at who brought it up and their record on nutty conspiracy theories and gauge you reaction by that. Do they peddle daft theories such as climate change is due solely to the sun?

And any really good conspiracy theory should be obtainable with only one or two clicks on Youtube.

[woodburner]

If only the supporters knew how they were being manipulated they might start thinking for themselves Julian Roger Hallam’s gambit.

Gail Bradbrook’s gambit

All easily wound up by a pitiful figure of a naive indoctrinated teenager, Greta.

A history of environmentalism

[woodburner]

Undercover Elephant,

The situation is changing, and faster than almost anybody expected. It is getting worse. The increasing level of protests is largely the result of a generation growing up with an awareness of the potential severity, and on a timescale which will very much effect their lives. You and me will be dead by the time it gets really bad, but they will only be our age now.

It’s not the climate, it’s the conspiracy and it’s not a theory except to those who would have you believe magic numbers like 97%. Where did 97% come from?

But still, if people want to glue themselves to windows so Roger Dodger can improve his PR arrest figures, why deny them that freedom to be arrested and have a criminal record? Great for their future prospects. They could of course go to work for the railway industry as there is a training program going on now to get ex-convicts working on the network. Mostly night work and public holidays, BTW.