What guns to buy? and related posts.

ReserveGrowthRulz · Post by **ReserveGrowthRulz** » 01 Sep 2019, 22:36

Vortex2 wrote:
ReserveGrowthRulz wrote: I would go for the real live Ruger Scout Rifle myself.
What calibre is that Ruger Scout?

308 and 450 Bushmaster. Never heard of that second one.

vtsnowedin · Post by **vtsnowedin** » 02 Sep 2019, 13:55

Nothing I would be interested in but for those into the big bores just a slight variation on existing rounds to fit in AR type firearms.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.450_Bushmaster

Vortex2 · Post by **Vortex2** » 05 Sep 2019, 23:00

.308 will do the business.

ReserveGrowthRulz · Post by **ReserveGrowthRulz** » 05 Sep 2019, 23:40

Vortex2 wrote:.308 will do the business.

Never fired one myself.

vtsnowedin · Post by **vtsnowedin** » 06 Sep 2019, 00:58

For those that don't know the 30-06 was invented in the age of bolt action, clip, fed military rifles. It served well in both world wars. But when it was pressed into service as a machine gun round it was found that the case length was too long which caused slow firing rates and heavy long weapons that were prone to jams when most needed. By shorting the case length to the 308 dimensions they improved thirty caliber reliability and rates of fire in lighter shorter weapons without giving up much if any ballistic performance from the 150 grain FMJ military ball ammo.
For the hunter and sportsman the 308 will do anything a 30-06 will do other then shoot heavy >180 grain bullets at long range.

Catweazle · Post by **Catweazle** » 07 Sep 2019, 23:50

The 30-06 is slightly more powerful than .308, however, the .308 is easy to reload to an accurate standard. The .308 will do anything we need in the UK, where we don't have bears or elk.

I chose .308 because of the easy supply of components and the variety of reloading data, this made it an easier option than the .270 which is possibly a superior deer calibre.

vtsnowedin · Post by **vtsnowedin** » 08 Sep 2019, 11:43

Catweazle wrote:The 30-06 is slightly more powerful than .308, however, the .308 is easy to reload to an accurate standard. The .308 will do anything we need in the UK, where we don't have bears or elk.

True enough and I quite agree. Even black bear and elk if that is where you are hunting. I'd draw the line Grizzle bear and up.

I chose .308 because of the easy supply of components and the variety of reloading data, this made it an easier option than the .270 which is possibly a superior deer calibre.

The 270 is nothing more then a necked down 30-06. It's higher velocities and lighter bullets shoot a bit flatter then an -06 which comes into play in the American West where shots at deer and antelope over 300 yards are common.
If you take a 308 shooting 150 grain bullets and a 270 shooting 130 grain and sight them both in to be 2.5 inches high at 100 yards the point where the bullets drop below four inches low only varies by twelve yards, 250 for the 308 and 262 yards for the 270 .
If you own any one of the three ,270, 308 or 30-06 you have no need to buy one of the others but don't tell my wife that.

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ReserveGrowthRulz · Post by **ReserveGrowthRulz** » 08 Sep 2019, 15:08

vtsnowedin wrote:
Catweazle wrote:The 30-06 is slightly more powerful than .308, however, the .308 is easy to reload to an accurate standard. The .308 will do anything we need in the UK, where we don't have bears or elk.
True enough and I quite agree. Even black bear and elk if that is where you are hunting. I'd draw the line Grizzle bear and up.

Grizzle bears!!

Got something special and old school for them!

Vortex2 · Post by **Vortex2** » 17 Sep 2019, 20:52

Anecdote : a friend of mine retired young and spends his time big game hunting all around the world.

The last time he was in the US he went on a bear hunt - but as a tourist he was simply chucked a lever action to keep him happy. The locals had all the fancy kit.

Well, Mr Bear leapt onto the point guy who effed up big time - was not ready.

My friend used the ancient lever action and shot the bear in the eye ... saved the day.

The bear ripped open three hunting dogs during all this. The hunters simply used industrial staplers to stitch the animals back together again ..... apparently a standard technique.

ReserveGrowthRulz · Post by **ReserveGrowthRulz** » 18 Sep 2019, 13:57

Vortex2 wrote: My friend used the ancient lever action and shot the bear in the eye ... saved the day.

Oftentimes, old school is the school that matters.

vtsnowedin · Post by **vtsnowedin** » 19 Sep 2019, 10:46

I have one lever action (my wife's actually) Winchester model 94 in 30-30. It is light , handy and comes up quick when you jump up a deer. I have taken a couple of deer with it and it is really all the deer rifle you "need. Other lever actions in the heavier calibers such as the 356 or 404 kick like a mule as they are too light, have excessive drop between line of bore and top of butt plate, and the brass butt plates are curved and lack a rubber pad.
For a large caliber bear /lion stopper I much prefer a bolt action with a straight classic stock such as a Model 70 Winchester or Ruger M77. In the heavy barrel grades these rifles often tip the scales at nine plus pounds which reduces felt recoil dramatically.

ReserveGrowthRulz · Post by **ReserveGrowthRulz** » 19 Sep 2019, 15:24

vtsnowedin wrote:I have one lever action (my wife's actually) Winchester model 94 in 30-30.

Woo Hoo!!! First deer rifle, used at age 12 and 9 days for first whitetail buck! Used it until like age 15. Great gun.

vtsnowedin · Post by **vtsnowedin** » 19 Sep 2019, 19:27

I've learned to have my young shooters wear there heavy hunting clothes while practicing in summer and early fall. Practicing while wearing light summer shirts magnifies recoil which leads to flinching. The heavy winter hunting coat adds quite a bit of padding and the student needs to practice with all the gear on to get used to how that effects length of pull etc. Shooting bare handed is not the same as shooting wearing gloves. Such sessions usually lead to a shopping trip for hunting gloves that allow the trigger finger to be slipped out of it's cover when a deer is sighted.

ReserveGrowthRulz · Post by **ReserveGrowthRulz** » 19 Sep 2019, 20:16

vtsnowedin wrote:I've learned to have my young shooters wear there heavy hunting clothes while practicing in summer and early fall. Practicing while wearing light summer shirts magnifies recoil which leads to flinching. The heavy winter hunting coat adds quite a bit of padding and the student needs to practice with all the gear on to get used to how that effects length of pull etc. Shooting bare handed is not the same as shooting wearing gloves. Such sessions usually lead to a shopping trip for hunting gloves that allow the trigger finger to be slipped out of it's cover when a deer is sighted.

I learned via a slightly different method. No one told me nuttin'.

vtsnowedin · Post by **vtsnowedin** » 19 Sep 2019, 23:59

ReserveGrowthRulz wrote:
I learned via a slightly different method. No one told me nuttin'.

I was pretty much the same. When I became interested beyond just doing what every other boy in town was doing I did quite a bit of reading of sports magazines etc. The late Jack O' Conner's book "The hunting rifle" became almost a bible and still holds the position of The authority about guns,.