That procedure will not be permitted to prevent this bill getting through. The Lords aren't stupid. The majority of them know very well that if a no deal brexit happens because they don't have a procedure for stopping this sort of shenanegins, their chamber will be reformed out of existence.kenneal - lagger wrote:They aren't expecting any of the amendments to pass and neither do they have to pass. It's just the time taken to debate and vote on the amendments that will take them through to a time when Parliament can be prorogued before the bill is passed.
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+1Lord Beria3 wrote:Looks like it a ge is coming soon and that will decide the fate of Brexit.
But we've all lost 3+ years of our lives to this - what fools we are.....
The real issues, like Climate Change have been drowned out in the meantime...
Remember, we're only here because David Cameron wanted to 'lance the boil' with his right-wing b@stards...
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We're only still here because a load of middle class, southern, metropolitan left wing Remainers think they are more knowledgeable than a bunch of thick, gullible, left wing, right wing, xenophobic, racist Leavers and are trying for a coup against the democratic People's Vote to leave!
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They can argue all they want. But, that is only because there will be perpetual attempts to rewrite history, as has already happened thus far. One side won the referendum. The other side, encouraged and facilitated by those ensconced in seats of power, sought to overturn/erase the votes of those who won.
These are facts irrespective of which side wins and who gets to write the history.
These are facts irrespective of which side wins and who gets to write the history.
Well said.kenneal - lagger wrote:We're only still here because a load of middle class, southern, metropolitan left wing Remainers think they are more knowledgeable than a bunch of thick, gullible, left wing, right wing, xenophobic, racist Leavers and are trying for a coup against the democratic People's Vote to leave!
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So apparantly the pro-brexit tory peers have been told to keep talking until next week, if neccesary. Meanwhile, Johnson has told Corbyn that if he agrees to vote for an election on October 14th the government will call the filibuster off. Corbyn can't do it though, because his party will kill him if he does.
What would be the result if the referendum was held today ? Would it be the same ? Or would the people, having learned the true costs of Brexit, vote differently ?
If the result would be the same then what have the brexiteers to worry about ?
If the result would be different then surely that is a result of a better informed public.
What is undemocratic about a second vote ? ( and on the subject of democracy, what is democratic about filibusters ?)
If the result would be the same then what have the brexiteers to worry about ?
If the result would be different then surely that is a result of a better informed public.
What is undemocratic about a second vote ? ( and on the subject of democracy, what is democratic about filibusters ?)
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The problem is that the negotiations were very obviously botched by May. She made numerous very serious strategic mistakes. Her whole plan went horribly wrong when she lost her majority, and from that moment onwards she was firefighting with no coherent strategy at all. So we ended up with a withdrawal agreement which was hopeless.Catweazle wrote: If the result would be different then surely that is a result of a better informed public.
What is undemocratic about a second vote ?
If there's a second vote which results in a narrow victory for remain, it will always look like the real reason brexit didn't happen was because the process itself was botched by an incompetent remainer. Or deliberately sabotaged.
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Little John
Remainer bullshit talking point. Anyone could use that argument to attempt to anull any democratic result they did not like.Catweazle wrote:What would be the result if the referendum was held today ? Would it be the same ? Or would the people, having learned the true costs of Brexit, vote differently ?
If the result would be the same then what have the brexiteers to worry about ?
If the result would be different then surely that is a result of a better informed public.
What is undemocratic about a second vote ? ( and on the subject of democracy, what is democratic about filibusters ?)
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The problem was that in the vote that counted the majority agreed with the B'stards. There was no reason why climate change could not have been tackled at the same time by any other rational country. In fact the UK has not done too badly in terms of getting greener and decarbonising. Don't forget the Remainer PM once called it all greensh!t.Mark wrote:+1Lord Beria3 wrote:Looks like it a ge is coming soon and that will decide the fate of Brexit.
But we've all lost 3+ years of our lives to this - what fools we are.....
The real issues, like Climate Change have been drowned out in the meantime...
Remember, we're only here because David Cameron wanted to 'lance the boil' with his right-wing b@stards...
The parliament have taken away a lot of negotiating tools that the UK government may have had, namely to leave without a deal and deprive the EU of some serious funding.
To misquote the WW1 proverb you are truly led/governed by donkeys. A country like Australia or even NZ can make it on their own in the world why can't the UK? in case you are unaware, most countries actually want to sell you their stuff. Getting them to buy your stuff is sometimes a bit harder.
G'Day cobber!
