US shale oil production is plummeting

[ReserveGrowthRulz]

You can bury your heard in the shale all you like, but it will run out, or become uneconomic one day...
Maybe in a month, a year, a decade or longer...., but it will....

Just like the Sun will run out of hydrogen.

[Mark]

I accept some of what you say.....

However:
You = you, and the oil industry, fossil fuel lobby, people who produce studies etc. who promote it
Me = somebody who thinks that we should move away from it as fast as possible, as alternatives exist for most/all uses

The planet is shared by us all, and yes human activity has always had an impact, but the destruction that our generation (you and me) is doing to it is off the scale.
Yes, we are both part of the 'human infestation', but I believe that there should be room for other species to exist on the plant, and the planet shouldn't just be sucked dry of all resources until left totally uninhabitable by anything....

Sorry if that sounds a bit 'hippy', but it's for our own good as well in the long run.
Not that I think we'll change course - you and your type tend to hold all the levers of power....

[ReserveGrowthRulz]

I accept some of what you say.....

However:
You = you, and the oil industry, fossil fuel lobby, people who produce studies etc. who promote it

A) I fit into none of those categories and B) they all certainly thank consumers such as yourself who bitch and whine about it...and spend money of petrochemical products anyway.

[kenneal - lagger]

You really are a pathetic little trollish c*nt aren't you.

It's pretty obvious why you have been banned so often previously.

Always able to debate in a mature way, ok, perhaps not.

Pot, kettle black!!

[Lord Beria3]

Well, Greer has just written about shale... a good read.

He thinks it will peak next decade.

https://www.ecosophia.net/waiting-for-the-next-panic/

[Little John]

Well, Greer has just written about shale... a good read.

He thinks it will peak next decade.

https://www.ecosophia.net/waiting-for-the-next-panic/

Excellent.

In particular, this:

Just to minimize a certain kind of confusion, I should make something clear. Anthropogenic climate change is a real and serious issue, and it’s being used to manipulate the public on behalf of some extremely dubious political and economic interests. It fascinates me that so few people seem to be able to hold these two ideas in their minds at the same time.

[woodburner]

RGR, it might be possible to run an EV on solar panels in Colorado, but in the UK it would be a bit optimistic.

[ReserveGrowthRulz]

Well, Greer has just written about shale... a good read.

He thinks it will peak next decade.

https://www.ecosophia.net/waiting-for-the-next-panic/

[ReserveGrowthRulz]

RGR, it might be possible to run an EV on solar panels in Colorado, but in the UK it would be a bit optimistic.

Each place has unique disadvantages and advantages to living there.

[GalebG4M]

In countries with terrible weather like the UK or my native homeland of Belgium, would it be viable to install wind turbines, or would that idea shatter against the wall of municipal regulations?
Because if it isn't, then it could be a good way to power things like an electric car, especially since unlike solar panels, wind turbines will work during night time.

[vtsnowedin]

In countries with terrible weather like the UK or my native homeland of Belgium, would it be viable to install wind turbines, or would that idea shatter against the wall of municipal regulations?
Because if it isn't, then it could be a good way to power things like an electric car, especially since unlike solar panels, wind turbines will work during night time.

Excellent point but then one must consider the average hours per year of winds sufficient to produce usable power. This varies a lot from region to region and from valley to ridge top. Local regulations are of course a hindrance but if the location is not viable there is no point in trying to ram it through a set of NIMBY regulations.

[woodburner]

Wind turbines don’t work at all well at night, or during the day, when an anti-cyclone establishes itself over where you live, and it is very good at doing that for protracted periods in the winter in Europe. So no sun, and no wind and plenty of cold.

[kenneal - lagger]

In countries with terrible weather like the UK or my native homeland of Belgium, would it be viable to install wind turbines, or would that idea shatter against the wall of municipal regulations?
Because if it isn't, then it could be a good way to power things like an electric car, especially since unlike solar panels, wind turbines will work during night time.

Propeller type wind turbines do not work very well at low elevations because the terrain and buildings break the wind flow up and substantially reduce their efficiency. They require laminar flow to work best which is why they are usually found on mountain/hill tops or out to sea.

Vertical axis turbines work better at low elevations and in built up areas with disturbed air flow but in those areas wind speeds are comparitively low any way. The energy produced is proportional to the square, or is it cube, of the wind speed so slower wind speeds make a huge difference to the energy produced.

Wind turbines work equally well day or night as long as the wind speed is the same. Anti cyclones tend to produce less cloud so solar panels usually work quite well in those conditions. Those conditions are when tidal energy comes into its own, or it would if government would promote the technology or give it similar subsidies and tax breaks to nuclear and fossil fuel extraction.

[vtsnowedin]

So we have solar power that doesn't work at all after sundown.And wind power that doesn't work if the weather is wrong and tidal power that predictably doesn't work at neap tide at any given location. So we can't rely on any one of them for total power production, but if we build all three out to the extent practicable we can take a big chunk out of total demand and fill the gaps with some new modular nuclear power or a few lingering fossil fuel plants.
That much is possible and we should do that and then see where we can go from there.

[kenneal - lagger]

The timing of high tide varies around the British coast as the tide comes in from the Atlantic and flows around the North of Scotland and south into the North Sea and also up the Channel so there is an overlap in the production of power. Also most of the time according to research there is wind blowing somewhere in or around Britain so given sufficient renewable capacity the need for backup power is minimal.