The Koch Brothers cover blown. Climate deniers extraordinair

[kenneal - lagger]

This New Yorker review of a 704 page book, “Kochland: The Secret History of Koch Industries and Corporate Power in America�, tells how the Koch Brothers starting in 1991 lobbied against any action on climate change to protect their fossil fuel empire.

Yet the Koch machine bought its way into Congress and turned climate-change denial into an unchallengeable Republican talking point. Meanwhile, after the cap-and-trade bill died, the planet continued heating, and the Kochs’ net worth doubled.

[BritDownUnder]

Apparently there is another book "Sons of Wichita" which I am in the process of downloading illegally that is also, apparently, a good read. Whether they really are the anti-climate change bad boys everybody says they are I have yet to decide.

I once read that Wichita was know as the most wicked town in America during the 19th Century.

[vtsnowedin]

The Koch brothers don't have a secret plan or a cover to blow. They are quite up front about their positions and activities and truly believe they are in the right and should be listened to.
If you don't like their approach park your car and turn off the gas and AC to your house as well as the electricity. And don't bother going to work because your work place, be it office or steel mill, will not function without some products the koch industries supplies.

[kenneal - lagger]

The Koch brothers don't have a secret plan or a cover to blow. They are quite up front about their positions and activities and truly believe they are in the right and should be listened to.
If you don't like their approach park your car and turn off the gas and AC to your house as well as the electricity. And don't bother going to work because your work place, be it office or steel mill, will not function without some products the koch industries supplies.

That is a rather US centric view of things, VT.

[woodburner]

It applies in any other country that uses the same type of facilities, surely.

[ReserveGrowthRulz]

The Koch brothers don't have a secret plan or a cover to blow. They are quite up front about their positions and activities and truly believe they are in the right and should be listened to.
If you don't like their approach park your car and turn off the gas and AC to your house as well as the electricity. And don't bother going to work because your work place, be it office or steel mill, will not function without some products the koch industries supplies.

That is a rather US centric view of things, VT.

Sure. Because we can see it, no one gets to pretend it is some hidden, secret thing. the key part to VT's statement being "they are quite up front about their positions and activities".

Is this not apparent to European types? It is quite apparent in the US.

[kenneal - lagger]

We tend to keep our bribery and corruption under wraps at the moment but it is on its way out. There was a report last week of a small sum received by the new leader of the LibDem Party.

There is also a book, funnily enough by a former Vice chairman of the LibDems, Donnachadh MacCarthy, The Prostitute State which tells of the corruption not only in the political sphere but in the civil service, the press and academe.

The book is available from www.theprostitutestate.co.uk for £15 inc P&P

Yes that is advertising but it is a book which should be compulsory for all of voting age. I have no interest in the sale of the book apart from getting the message out.

[ReserveGrowthRulz]

We tend to keep our bribery and corruption under wraps at the moment but it is on its way out.

The quote was "positions and activities", which certainly isn't just some blanket claim of bribes and corruption. It isn't even corruption when it is legal, so maybe your objection is just to what is legal?

I have a position on guns that you aren't happy with, me having that position, doing activities related to it, competitions and whatnot, makes it neither bribery nor corruption.

[BritDownUnder]

I just read that David Koch died on Friday.

[ReserveGrowthRulz]

I just read that David Koch died on Friday.

Don't worry, behind one dead victim of conspiracy and denier fan-dom, there are a thousand more!

[kenneal - lagger]

I just read that David Koch died on Friday.

Three bloody great cheers! When is his brother going to do us a favour and join him?

[vtsnowedin]

I just read that David Koch died on Friday.

Three bloody great cheers! When is his brother going to do us a favour and join him?

The corporations they hold major chunks of stock in will carry on with their heirs in possession of the stock. There will be no interruption to the flow of fossil fuels. Some will say that is a good thing.

[ReserveGrowthRulz]

I just read that David Koch died on Friday.

Three bloody great cheers! When is his brother going to do us a favour and join him?

The corporations they hold major chunks of stock in will carry on with their heirs in possession of the stock. There will be no interruption to the flow of fossil fuels. Some will say that is a good thing.

BBWWAAHHAHAAAAA!!

It is amusing that some think that evil is wrapped up in the person, rather than the corporation. Makes it easier to build conspiracy theories I suppose, even conspiracy nutters can worry about how far they attempt to stretch their credibility when they pretend that corporations are evil. As opposed to "corporations gotta be corporations" , just doing what they are designed to do. Provide a return to shareholders. If that means fossil fuel investments, then fossil fuel investments it is!