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careful_eugene wrote:
Lord Beria3 wrote:Wrong Cubes.

Greer has already written that a no deal Brexit would be good for the UK.
Could you provide a link to this please, I can't find it on his website.
I found this on his website https://www.ecosophia.net/an-astrologic ... de-brexit/
He seems to suggest that a no deal brexit will be a success because of the position of planets.
One traditional way to do this is to use mundane astrology—the branch of astrology that deals with the lives of nations. I’ve been doing that on this blog at intervals for a while now, with tolerably good results. The essential tool of classical mundane astrology is the ingress chart, a chart cast for the political capital of a nation for the moment of one of the solstices or equinoxes. The Aries ingress, which occurs at the spring equinox around March 21 each year, is the most important of the four ingresses, and since the 2019 Aries ingress will occur just a few days before Brexit, it’s the chart we need to assess...
Are you suggesting we should give this serious consideration?
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It will be because of the position of at least one planet i.e. Earth. That will be firmly under the thumb of the globalists, which would also be the case with no brexit.

The Aries ingress must have been delayed until after the autumn equinox. I suppose that could be stretched to be “tolerably good result�.
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I do not believe in astrology, fortune telling by tea leaves, the casting of sacred chicken bones, or horoscopes, nor in any other form of magic or witchcraft.
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Latest YouGov poll on EU election

Brexit Party - 34%
Labour Party - 16%
Liberal Democratic Party - 15%
Green Party - 11%
Conservative Party - 10%
Change UK Party - 5%
UKIP - 3%
Others - 7%

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/ar ... x-34-lab-1
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Greer has consistently argued that a no deal Brexit would be good for the UK for economic reasons which have nothing to do with astrology.

Stephen Bush from NS has an interesting comment on the rise of the BP.
Paradoxically, I would be more worried about the general election implications of the breathless coverage of Farage's new crew in Labour's shoes because what all these projections about the fate of the Tories do is send the message to Remainers who want the Conservatives out and a second referendum that they can send a signal about the latter without jeopardising the former, which ain't necessarily so.
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Fascinating take by the eurointeligence boys...
In contrast to several UK commentators we have been arguing persistently that the probability of a no-deal Brexit remains elevated, and our view has not changed for a long time. The main risk is not an accident at the European Council, though views are shifting in the direction of Emmanuel Macron. The main risk is different: a shift in the political consensus in the UK that would make a no-deal outcome possible.

Over the weekend there were two opinion polls that managed to produce a dynamic of their own. The first is an Opinium survey for the Observer, according to which the Brexit Party is set to become the overall winner of the European elections on May 23 with 34% of the votes. Labour is a distant second with 21%, the LibDems get 12%, and the Tories 11%. A ComRes poll has the Brexit Party with a smaller lead of 27% versus Labour's 25%. But we note that the shift in voter preference towards the Brexit Party is fairly recent, and ongoing. Nigel Farage gets more media airtime than any other candidate for the European Parliament, and the Change UK party is completely non-existent. The LibDems are having a relatively good time with their "bollocks to Brexit" campaign. But this is a race between a united Brexit Party and a disunited Labour Party.  

Even though the Tories are expecting to lose the European elections, these figures still come as a shock to them. Another opinion poll showed that the Brexit Party is ahead of the Tories even on for national elections, at 20% versus 19%. Obviously the Tories will not go into the next elections with Theresa May as leader. We have no doubt that the Tories will end up electing a eurosceptic as their next leader simply because this is what it will take to neutralise Farage's challenge. His Brexit Party greatly benefits from the system of proportional representation in the European elections, but he will not be nearly as strong in a national poll.

We believe the Tories are very likely to have a new leader in place for the party conference in late September. That new leader would then attend the European Council in October. It is possible, indeed likely, that the UK parliament will try to spring another Cooper bill with a narrow majority, but a prime minister hell-bent on a no-deal Brexit has several wrecking tools at his or her disposal, such as an orchestrated House of Lords filibuster or the prorogation of parliament. Tory candidates are confronted by angry constituents over their failure to deliver Brexit. Can we really rule out a political calculus that the next prime minister would deliver a hard Brexit in October, and then make way for new elections in the spring of 2020 once the initial shock of a hard Brexit is absorbed?

The FT reports that the latest opinion polls have hardened the readiness of the Tories to put the knife into Theresa May. The date to watch out for is this Thursday, the next meeting of the Tory backbench 1922 committee, which May is due to address. The committee wants her to give a binding departure date, Brexit or no Brexit. The possible rule change in relation to the 12-month reprieve for a leader after a confidence vote is still in the cards, but we don't think it will come to that. 

We would like to end with the following two observations. In the British first-past-the-post voting system, you can win an election with 35% or 40% of the votes, depending on the other parties. If a new Tory leader manages to unite the pro-Brexit vote, there is a chance they would get to such a level. 

We also noted a comment in Die Welt, which interprets the rise of the Brexit Party as confirmation of the referendum and concludes that hopes of a Brexit reversal have been delusional. If Farage's Party were to win the European elections in a landslide, we would expect opinion within the European Council to shift further. Macron will get his I-told-you-so moment.
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If a new Tory leader manages to unite the pro-Brexit vote
Again, these "Eurointelligence boys" demonstrate a profound failure to understand internal UK politics. The probability of a new tory leader uniting the pro-brexit vote is nil. At least 20% of the pro-brexit vote cannot stand the tories and will not vote for them under any circumstances.
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This is the beginning of the political realignment in this country that was warned about by Leavers in particular and democrats in general if the political class continued down the road of ignoring the people.

This is the beginning of a rout
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Lord Beria3 wrote:Fascinating take by the eurointeligence boys...
As of good old boys? How do you know some of them may not be boys?
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UE - I've seen a recent poll that says that BP would slump to 11% if the Tories elected a hard Brexiteer like Boris as their next leader.

Farage has come out today to say he would do a deal with the Tories to push through a WTO Brexit - https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... place.html.

If the Tories can bounce back to 35% plus the BP in support, with an electoral mandate for a hard Brexit, than yes the eurointelligence scenario could happen.

PV - according to their website the main guys running it are men. Either way, an immaterial point.

Regarding general election voting intentions... latest yougov poll.

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/ar ... -24-8-9-ma

Tories and Labour tied on 24. Brexit Party on 18%.

UE - are you panicking yet?!!!
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UndercoverElephant wrote: The probability of a new tory leader uniting the pro-brexit vote is nil. At least 20% of the pro-brexit vote cannot stand the tories and will not vote for them under any circumstances.
Don't be so sure of that. There is an old American saying that"politics makes for strange bed fellows".
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I think a lot of people held their nose and voted tory last time [in spite of IDS, Gove, Hunt and all the other scum] because they promised Brexit. In the face of an alternative that has not lied yet [the BP], they will lose massively.
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This ones for LJ [and the rest of you..]:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWsaLgx ... WsaLgx6h0g
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Like it
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Maybe now - finally - on the 23rd of May, the smug, self-satisfied, liberal intelligentsia in this country will find the moral courage to stop looking admiringly in the mirror at their own self-congratulatory reflections long enough to see the anger in the faces of the mob that is growing all around them.

Maybe.

But I doubt it.
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