Iran Watch...

johnhemming2 · Post by **johnhemming2** » 09 May 2018, 21:48

I think Trump is an idiot. However, I have not changed my mind on this since the first time I came to a view.

This is a good example.

Post by **adam2** » 09 May 2018, 21:50

AutomaticEarth wrote:US blows out on Iran nuclear deal. No noise on this forum.

[tumbleweed blowing through this forum]

LOL

IMHO, this was so widely forecast that it was no that newsworthy when actually announced.

Little John · Post by **Little John** » 09 May 2018, 22:10

Iraq dropped the dollar. Libya dropped the dollar. Syria dropped the dollar. Iran has just dropped the dollar.

Want to guess what happens next?

This is a petro-dollar global war. It always has been. Trump is just the messenger boy for a Yank deep state intent on maintaining its dollar hegemony in the world. And, if it cannot, then it will take the rest of us all down to hell with it on the basis of the maxim "if we lose, everyone loses".

vtsnowedin · Post by **vtsnowedin** » 10 May 2018, 01:39

Little John wrote:Iraq dropped the dollar. Libya dropped the dollar. Syria dropped the dollar. Iran has just dropped the dollar.

Want to guess what happens next?

This is a petro-dollar global war. It always has been. Trump is just the messenger boy for a Yank deep state intent on maintaining its dollar hegemony in the world. And, if it cannot, then it will take the rest of us all down to hell with it on the basis of the maxim "if we lose, everyone loses".

And just how has the dollar fared in recent days in the face of all this turmoil?

emordnilap · Post by **emordnilap** » 10 May 2018, 02:45

Little John wrote:Iraq dropped the dollar. Libya dropped the dollar. Syria dropped the dollar. Iran has just dropped the dollar.

Wee-hee. I wish someone over here had that gumption.

woodburner · Post by **woodburner** » 10 May 2018, 08:29

vtsnowedin wrote:
Little John wrote:Iraq dropped the dollar. Libya dropped the dollar. Syria dropped the dollar. Iran has just dropped the dollar.

Want to guess what happens next?

This is a petro-dollar global war. It always has been. Trump is just the messenger boy for a Yank deep state intent on maintaining its dollar hegemony in the world. And, if it cannot, then it will take the rest of us all down to hell with it on the basis of the maxim "if we lose, everyone loses".
And just how has the dollar fared in recent days in the face of all this turmoil?

Not really relevant. The price is determined by opportunistic gamblers (and possibly a significant Neocon influence). They have their own agenda, real world doesnâ€™t matter.

Post by **kenneal - lagger** » 10 May 2018, 09:37

vtsnowedin wrote:And just how has the dollar fared in recent days in the face of all this turmoil?

It would fare a lot less well if there was a run away from the dollar as " the oil currency".

Mr. Fox · Post by **Mr. Fox** » 15 May 2018, 10:17

Orlov: The US pulled out of Iran Nuclear Deal because itâ€™s too broke

Hereâ€™s a perspective on Trumpâ€™s decision to pull out of JCPOA, a.k.a. the Iran Nuclear Deal, that definitely doesnâ€™t get enough airtime. Itâ€™s all about money. Following the Iranian revolution of 1978-79, Jimmy Carter froze Iranâ€™s assets in the US. Ever since then, the US has been holding on to between $100 and $120 billion in Iranian assets, which have been accruing rent and interest. After the JCPOA, which stipulated the lifting of sanctions on Iran, Washington has been doing its best to drag its feet on releasing these assets, but they would have had to be returned to Iran sooner or laterâ€¦ unless the US pulled out of the deal, which it just did.

It is very important to note that these frozen Iranian assets are US dollar-denominated. And what would be the first thing that the Iranians would do upon regaining control of them? Why, of course, they would convert them out of US dollars. This is a requirement written into Iranian law: no US dollars allowed, and nobody in Iran has the power to change that even if they wanted to...

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emordnilap · Post by **emordnilap** » 15 May 2018, 10:48

Mr. Fox wrote:Orlov: The US pulled out of Iran Nuclear Deal because itâ€™s too broke

nobody in Iran has the power to change that

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Nobody? Humans make the law; humans can change it.

Yes, they might not want to - but this kind of statement is nonsense and on a par with Trump's 'facts'.

Mr. Fox · Post by **Mr. Fox** » 15 May 2018, 22:54

I can't claim to know the specifics, em, but I'd imagine the reasoning goes something like:

God makes the laws > including a law prohibiting usury > hence no US Dollars.

Their Constitution (pdf) is worth a browse one rainy afternoon (if only for the 'cor, I wish we had that' aspects).

Article 3.5 regarding 'the complete rejection of colonialism and the prevention of foreign influence', or 3.6, on 'the eradication of all kinds of tyranny, autocracy, and monopolization of power' might also be what Orlov is alluding to - there's more than a few to choose from.

Chapter 14 does detail mechanisms for revising the constitution, but I'm don't know of any* for revising the Qu'ran.

(*takfiri head-choppers excepted, of course).

vtsnowedin · Post by **vtsnowedin** » 16 May 2018, 02:15

kenneal - lagger wrote:
vtsnowedin wrote:And just how has the dollar fared in recent days in the face of all this turmoil?
It would fare a lot less well if there was a run away from the dollar as " the oil currency".

Do you think that anyone trading a shipment of oil for Rubles or any other currency doesn't know exactly how much they could sell the same shipment somewhere else for dollars? People that buy and sell oil for a living are aware of the exchange rates by the hour and are not going to take a loss from an exchange rate.

emordnilap · Post by **emordnilap** » 16 May 2018, 09:20

Mr. Fox wrote:I can't claim to know the specifics, em, but I'd imagine the reasoning goes something like:

God makes the laws > including a law prohibiting usury > hence no US Dollars.

Their Constitution (pdf) is worth a browse one rainy afternoon (if only for the 'cor, I wish we had that' aspects).

Article 3.5 regarding 'the complete rejection of colonialism and the prevention of foreign influence', or 3.6, on 'the eradication of all kinds of tyranny, autocracy, and monopolization of power' might also be what Orlov is alluding to - there's more than a few to choose from.

Chapter 14 does detail mechanisms for revising the constitution, but I'm don't know of any* for revising the Qu'ran.

(*takfiri head-choppers excepted, of course).

*Wry grin*

Of course, you need tyranny, autocracy and monopolisation of power to eliminate such things...

Little John · Post by **Little John** » 16 May 2018, 16:17

vtsnowedin wrote:
kenneal - lagger wrote:
vtsnowedin wrote:And just how has the dollar fared in recent days in the face of all this turmoil?
It would fare a lot less well if there was a run away from the dollar as " the oil currency".
Do you think that anyone trading a shipment of oil for Rubles or any other currency doesn't know exactly how much they could sell the same shipment somewhere else for dollars? People that buy and sell oil for a living are aware of the exchange rates by the hour and are not going to take a loss from an exchange rate.

It's far more complex than that

https://www.equities.com/news/how-impor ... -stability

woodburner · Post by **woodburner** » 24 Apr 2019, 22:31

The idiots in the US and middle east are continuing to push for yet another war.

More.............

BritDownUnder · Post by **BritDownUnder** » 25 Apr 2019, 03:40

woodburner wrote:The idiots in the US and middle east are continuing to push for yet another war.

More.............

Iran is not whiter than white. Apparently they are now wanting to swap Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe for real Iranian criminals in the US and Australia.