Brexit process

Little John · Post by **Little John** » 17 Apr 2019, 20:43

Latest UK polling on European Parliament voting intention:

BREXPRTY: 27%
LAB: 22%
CON: 15%
GRN: 10%
LDEM: 9%
UKIP: 7%
CHUK: 6%

YouGov, 15 - 16 Apr

https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/c ... ions_w.pdf

What has been sown will be reaped

Vortex2 · Post by **Vortex2** » 17 Apr 2019, 21:17

Brexit is largely a game for grumpy old gits who are angry the world is not the way they want it to be

True.

We built this world - and the young just use it.

Spending hours on the Web each day isn't contributing to society.

My wife and I have worked our legs off since we left university many years ago.

I have been a research scientist, designed factory equipment, designed automotive software, managed oil & nuclear industry projects, worked with the military and security services, created and run a variety of businesses, designed mechanical, optical, electronic and software products, worked on many high security software & comms projects & products, have two patents, been a lead mobile phone designer, retrained at 49 to move to a medical field, designed & built an eco house. Many (not all) of my friends of my age have/had similar intense & varied careers.

However when I look at the various young people I know, I don't see similar dedication or drive.

Ticking protest 'likes' on websites and changing your avatar in support of terror victims is not a 'real' activity.

In my old age I still take part in political protests ... which are poorly attended by young people.

These socially aware youngsters couldn't even get off their arses to vote in the Brexit referendum.

So, yes, I am proud to be an old git who voted for Brexit.

By the way, it was not a racist or governance based vote : I checked out the financials via the EBC, EU, IMF, OECD etc websites. It soon became clear that the EU is not a worthwhile partner for the UK financially.

Also there is a fair chance that all the Remainer youngsters are in fact being set up and manipulated by ... other old gits in the shadows.

UndercoverElephant · Post by **UndercoverElephant** » 17 Apr 2019, 21:53

Little John wrote:Latest UK polling on European Parliament voting intention:

BREXPRTY: 27%
LAB: 22%
CON: 15%
GRN: 10%
LDEM: 9%
UKIP: 7%
CHUK: 6%

YouGov, 15 - 16 Apr

https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/c ... ions_w.pdf

What has been sown will be reaped

I posted this earlier (previous page). Interesting how the UKIP vote is collapsing.

woodburner · Post by **woodburner** » 17 Apr 2019, 22:03

have been a research scientist, designed factory equipment, designed automotive software, managed oil & nuclear industry projects, worked with the military and security services, created and run a variety of businesses, designed mechanical, optical, electronic and software products, worked on many high security software & comms projects & products, have two patents, been a lead mobile phone designer, retrained at 49 to move to a medical field, designed & built an eco house. Many (not all) of my friends of my age have/had similar intense & varied careers.

The world of education has changed much since you were in (I presume) university. Those establishments are now significantly influenced by left leaning marxist groups which preach equality of outcome. Most of the young people donâ€™t have a vision of where, and of who they want to be. The result is they have little idea of how to improve.

The â€œsocially awareâ€™ youngsters are not that aware, rather they are more likely confused, and that is maintained by the people who influence the way the universities run.

woodburner · Post by **woodburner** » 17 Apr 2019, 22:08

kenneal - lagger wrote:Thank you PV. I take it you are a young twat whose world isn't going to be the way you want it to be. Civilisations die off: they always have and this is just part of a die off. You were born 50 years too late, so tough mate, you will have to work hard for your living instead of twiddling your thumbs on an I-phone all day.

Hopefully my wife and I will have a good ten years of voting Brexit in us before we leave this world.

Oh! By the way, I am quite happy with my life and want my children's and grandchildren's lives to be better than they would be in the EU.

Mmmmm.............an exmple of how not to engage in an adult debate. (Yet another example.) There are some good examples on the internet for those who are interested.

UndercoverElephant · Post by **UndercoverElephant** » 17 Apr 2019, 23:17

Comres poll in tomorrows Torygraph has the tories on 23% voting intention for a general election. Brexit Party on 14%. Labour on 33%, which is pretty much unchanged from other recent polls.

That's freefall. Last two polls were on the 11th and 12th of this month, Opinium and Yougov, 28% and 29% respectively.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D4Yk5lfXsAAe0uJ.jpg:large

Little John · Post by **Little John** » 18 Apr 2019, 15:40

I see Facebook have just banned several "far right" pages. Most of them Brexit supporting - obviously. And great play is currently being made of one of them being a Rees-Mogg supporting page. Nothing to do with the great and the good being spooked by the latest polls. Oh no goodness me no

Little John · Post by **Little John** » 18 Apr 2019, 15:41

Meanwhile...

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics ... exit-party

Brexit REBELLION: Left-wingers follow Galloway to back Nigel Farage's surging Brexit Party

The May 23 European Parliamentary election are already throwing up some strange bedfellows and none more stranger than the firebrand former Labour and Respect MP and the Brexit Party. Mr Galloway took to Twitter to explain his position after seeing the Labour list of candidates for the EU elections. He said:

â€œGiven the nature of Labourâ€™s Euro-fanatic candidates list and the crucial juncture we have reached in the fight for the full implementation of the Brexit referendum result and for one-time only I will be supporting Nigel Farage in next months elections.

The Labour 5th Column has utterly destroyed the partyâ€™s prospects in the Euro-Elections. We must hope they havenâ€™t done so in real Elections.â€�

An opinion poll yesterday revealed the new Brexit Party has shot into the lead despite only being launched last week.

Mr Galloway also said:

â€œThe election on May 23 is about ONE thing only. The broken Tory Party and the Labour 5th columnists who have tried to abort the referendum result must be stopped in their tracks. Thatâ€™s all.â€�

Fellow left-wing Brexiteers also promised to vote for their former political enemy Nigel Farage. Simon Middleton said: "I totally agree with you Mr Galloway. Next month's elections are about Brexit, pure and simple. I am from a Socialist background and I will be voting for Nigel Farage aand the new Brexit Party "

Post by **kenneal - lagger** » 18 Apr 2019, 16:05

"My enemy's enemy is my friend"

Little John · Post by **Little John** » 18 Apr 2019, 16:09

Lord Beria3 · Post by **Lord Beria3** » 20 Apr 2019, 19:15

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/20 ... es-status/

This tribal analysis suggests that Nigel Farage's Brexit party should target the "working class nationalists" with an economically soft-left and pro-Brexit position. This could create a grouping of around a quarter of voters.

And Greer made an interesting comment in regard to Brexit and Farage...

Forecastingintelligence, Farage is a smarter man than his rivals realize. He has a very real chance of riding a wave of popular disgust straight into power â€” if not into No 10 Downing Street, then certainly into leadership of a bloc in Parliament large enough to make it impossible for any other party to govern unless they stop stalling and move forward with Brexit.

UndercoverElephant · Post by **UndercoverElephant** » 21 Apr 2019, 00:45

LB,

I think Farage is going to have a job on his hands trying to win a seat in the Commons, because of a combination of first past the post and the determination of people to stop him. If he stands in a general election then there will be a conspiracy of some sort to try to make sure he can't win, even if it means anti-brexit parties agreeing not to stand against each other.

But I agree he is not the foolish clown so many people think he is. He knows what he is doing, and he's almost certainly going to "win" the EU elections. The outcome of a general election is much harder to predict in the current situation. If UKIP continues to implode and the tories don't figure out how to get out of the mess they are in then I suppose it is possible that the Brexit Party will pick up some constituencies, especially where there's currently a non-brexity tory MP and Labour can't win.

Lord Beria3 · Post by **Lord Beria3** » 21 Apr 2019, 20:09

Lots of Tories I know are planning to vote for the Brexit Party.

And I would too if a Brexit candidate had a reasonable chance of winning.

UndercoverElephant · Post by **UndercoverElephant** » 21 Apr 2019, 22:53

Lord Beria3 wrote:Lots of Tories I know are planning to vote for the Brexit Party.

And I would too if a Brexit candidate had a reasonable chance of winning.

https://inews.co.uk/news/brexit/tory-el ... xit-party/

Grassroots backlash

The scale of the grassroots backlash over the Prime Ministerâ€™s handling of the Brexit process was revealed in a survey for the Conservative Home website.

It found that 61.7 per cent of Tory members intended to support the Brexit Party in the Euro-elections which will take place if Mrs May fails to win a Commons majority for her Brexit proposals within the next five weeks. Just 23.1 per cent said they were still loyal to the Conservatives.

Paul Goodman, the websiteâ€™s editor, described the findings as â€œthe most astonishing we have ever publishedâ€�.

60+% of tory members voting for another party is quite something. What is even more astonishing is that it is even remotely possible that the party leader could survive such a catastrophe. The risk for the tories is that if May is permitted to continue, some of those people may leave the party and never come back. The damage could be permanent.

RevdTess · Post by **RevdTess** » 22 Apr 2019, 11:27

UndercoverElephant wrote: 60+% of tory members voting for another party is quite something.

Given that they don't see it as a serious election and they want to make a mockery of the EU parliament and send a point to Theresa May, it doesn't seem surprising to me. I'd be more amazed if they tried to return a strong Tory contingent to a parliament they've spent years trying to get out of. Tory councillors voting Brexit Party for a GE would be quite something though. Labour must be doing some frantic wargaming trying to figure out whether 20% support for the Brexit Party in a GE would be helpful to them or not.