Indigenous People's alternative lifestyle

[kenneal - lagger]

This is an interesting article in Resilience about how US Indigenous People are looking back to their traditional ways of living to find a way forward instead of adopting capitalist, colonialist ways of living. It looks a damn sight more sustainable than our ways; capitalist, communist or socialist.

[emordnilap]

Interesting…but very few societies, of very, very few people, have ever worked like that. Humans, for the most part, for most of history, have been rapacious. Even forestry was being cleared in much of the western world when we were in the few millions.

P.S. I always thought it was bison that roamed America, not buffalo?

[vtsnowedin]

Interesting…but very few societies, of very, very few people, have ever worked like that. Humans, for the most part, for most of history, have been rapacious. Even forestry was being cleared in much of the western world when we were in the few millions.

P.S. I always thought it was bison that roamed America, not buffalo?

You are correct from a scientific standpoint but Americans have always called them buffalo as in buffalo herd or buffalo robe or buffalo nickel.

[vtsnowedin]

Along those same lines what Americans call Moose, Swedes call elk and what Americans call elk the Scotch call red stags.

[kenneal - lagger]

What Americans call caribou, Europeans call reindeer.

[kenneal - lagger]

.... Even forestry was being cleared in much of the western world when we were in the few millions.....

That forestry clearance and its change to agriculture was what turned the world away from the next ice age. The CO2 released and not sequestered by forest was enough to warm the world enough to stop the next ice age.

[emordnilap]

I read Clive Ponting’s A New Green History of the World and it makes one descend into a slough of despond regarding any hope for my species.

[kenneal - lagger]

Along those same lines what Americans call Moose, Swedes call elk and what Americans call elk the Scotch call red stags.

Scotch is a drink. The people are Scottish or Scots.

[UndercoverElephant]

Along those same lines what Americans call Moose, Swedes call elk and what Americans call elk the Scotch call red stags.

Red Deer (Cervus elaphus) are not Moose or Eurasian Elk (Alces alces). In north America "Elk" refers to another species of Cervus (related to Red Deer). Nobody uses the term "red stag".

[vtsnowedin]

Along those same lines what Americans call Moose, Swedes call elk and what Americans call elk the Scotch call red stags.

Scotch is a drink. The people are Scottish or Scots.

Oops

[vtsnowedin]

The "elk" of America are Cervus canadensis and there are a couple of minor subspecies here.In Europe the The Altai wapiti (sometimes called the Altai elk by North Americans)is a subspecies of Cervus canadensis found in the forest hills of southern Siberia, northwestern Mongolia, and northern Xinjiang province of China.
The red deer (Cervus elaphus) of Scotland and the rest of Europe is closely related but a separate species and their ranges overlap.
Sorry for the confusion. I was going from memory without a fact checker.

[Potemkin Villager]

I read Clive Ponting’s A New Green History of the World and it makes one descend into a slough of despond regarding any hope for my species.

To cheer yourself up further you could try "1940 - Myth and Reality"

https://books.google.ie/books/about/194 ... 5nAAAAMAAJ

"Britain's "Finest Hour" revealed as a muddle of ineptitude and propaganda. "Thoroughly researched and well written, Clive Ponting's book stands just about every preconceived notion concerning Britain's role in World War II on its head."

[emordnilap]

Thanks PV. On the list!

[ReserveGrowthRulz]

This is an interesting article in Resilience about how US Indigenous People are looking back to their traditional ways of living to find a way forward instead of adopting capitalist, colonialist ways of living. It looks a damn sight more sustainable than our ways; capitalist, communist or socialist.

Certainly it appeared to conclude with a happy happy joy joy statement!

We live in a time of transition, creativity, and change, and the future looks beautifully Indigenous!

Nowhere in the article did it look as though they were worried in the least about rising seas, tornadoes or hurricanes bothering them, or any of the other things that the climate aware are screeching about. Maybe all those things don't bother the Indigenous?

[kenneal - lagger]

Welcome DNH.

Jared Diamond's Collapse is a good book to read about where native cultures have succeeded and failed. Often failure is due to climate change and the culture not remembering the bad times during the good ones and overpopulating a region as a result. Our present culture is certainly doing that.