Brexit process

[Mark]

You haven't got a f***ing clue have you mate.

You still can't make a point without being totally obnoxious, can you ?
Charming.

The modal average full time wage in this country is 15-20k. And that is before tax and national insurance have been deducted. In other words, the most commonly earned full time wage in this country is the minimum wage.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... ending2017

So for 2017...., the mean was £32,700, the median was £27,300 and the mode was £17,500 (approx.)
I guessed at £27K as the average, but it's actually higher.
However, the median (£27,300) is probably the fairest and most reflective measure ?

Yes, the economy is skewed - 50% of people earn less than £27,300 and those on minimum wage really struggle to survive....
However, average UK workers are still far better off than average workers in the vast majority of other countries and we also have a (relatively) good Social Security System to protect us.....
If you think it's bad here, try working in China, Mexico, S. Africa, etc. etc. etc.

All that said, I agree with your basic point - we need a better/fairer distribution of wealth.
Unfortunately for many low skilled jobs, the minimum wage has morphed into the 'going rate'....

[Little John]

Skewed can also mean "biased" so the mean figure has a built in bias if you're trying to cover a drop in the low end salaries and a rise in the top end ones.

Yes, absolutely

[Little John]

....So for 2017...., the mean was £32,700, the median was £27,300 and the mode was £17,500 (approx.)
I guessed at £27K as the average, but it's actually higher.
However, the median (£27,300) is probably the fairest and most reflective measure....

No it's not.

This is why:

2, 40, 3, 2, 3, 2, 2, 500, 2, 4

Mean = 55.8
Median = 2.5
Mode = 2

[Mark]

2, 40, 3, 2, 3, 2, 2, 500, 2, 4

Mean = 55.8
Median = 2.5
Mode = 2

Correct maths - but as you already know, that isn't real data, is it ?
Assuming you agree with the ONS(?), their data is correct.
They can also calculate Mean/Median/Mode....

[Little John]

Have the ONS published a modal salary range?

[stumuz1]

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I would venture that REACH is the major global driver for assessing the toxicology of chemicals (happy for stumuz to automatically disagree)

This is more like it! You are venturing an opinion and not pasting what some lobbyist bloke has written. Progress

I would venture that REACH is NOT the major global driver for assessing the toxicology of chemicals because:

USA, the worlds largest consumer market do not use REACH
China , the worlds second largest consumer market does not use REACH
<INSERT COUNTRY> of most countries outside the EU do not use REACH

I could go on, but the quantum of Toxicity of substances in products is derived from International law at UN level.

[Mark]

Have the ONS published a modal salary range?

The ONS have published the data - click on the link
You're the type that could have an argument in an empty room....

My 'off the cuff' original comment was that average salary is approx. £27K
In fact, the 'Mean' is actually nearly £6K higher, which surprised me.....
However the Median figure (£27,300) is probably the fairest measure of the 'man in the middle'.....

[Mark]

I would venture that REACH is the major global driver for assessing the toxicology of chemicals (happy for stumuz to automatically disagree)

This is more like it! You are venturing an opinion and not pasting what some lobbyist bloke has written. Progress

I would venture that REACH is NOT the major global driver for assessing the toxicology of chemicals because:

USA, the worlds largest consumer market do not use REACH
China , the worlds second largest consumer market does not use REACH
<INSERT COUNTRY> of most countries outside the EU do not use REACH

I could go on, but the quantum of Toxicity of substances in products is derived from International law at UN level.

Don't make me laugh......
You're saying that the UN and International Law is the driver - you'll have to provide some/any evidence here.......

[clv101]

No deal on 29th March? No chance.
https://www.itv.com/news/2019-02-21/the ... al-brexit/

[Little John]

Have the ONS published a modal salary range?

The ONS have published the data - click on the link
You're the type that could have an argument in an empty room....

My 'off the cuff' original comment was that average salary is approx. £27K
In fact, the 'Mean' is actually nearly £6K higher, which surprised me.....
However the Median figure (£27,300) is probably the fairest measure of the 'man in the middle'.....

So... do I take it from your reply they have not published the modal salary?

Have they published the raw data so that someone else can calculate the modal salary?

[Little John]

No deal on 29th March? No chance.
https://www.itv.com/news/2019-02-21/the ... al-brexit/

Don't bet on it. Or, rather, don't bet on it working over the longer term.

If these scum from both sides of the house attempt to directly defy the democratic will of the British people, at the very least, their careers are utterly finished come the next election. However, the political consequences in the UK of this kind of overtly treacherous behavior could be far worse than that. And don't think this can be spun by our ever compliant establishment media to look like "centrists" are coming to "save democracy". Things have gone too far and people are too wised up and pissed off for that bullshit to work anymore.

[Little John]

I'm going to stick my neck out and state I really do suspect deep state shenanigans in these latest defections from the Labour and Tory party. This is the existing establishment's nuclear option. It's their last stand.

When a "people's vote" has failed, when May's shitty "deal" has failed, when it is looking increasingly unlikely that the main parties will dare to be seen to be the one instigating an extension of article 50 - when everything else has failed - their last throw of the die is to have some has-been MPs, whose careers are more or less over come the next election anyway - fall on their swords by using their now completely free votes in parliament to usurp the Brexit result and, as a sideshow, possibly keep Labour out of Office.

This will utterly finish them as politicians. But, they are probably being handsomely compensated for their sacrifice via their offshore Panama account. Whether or not any of the above will work is an interesting question and the answer is by no means certain.

Either way, this is a major national scandal in the making I think.

[kenneal - lagger]

We have probably got back to the usual for workers over the centuries now. Our view of life was changed by the relative affluence for workers/middle class of the 1950s/60s when there was a jump in living standards led by Henry Ford paying his workers enough to actually buy the cars that they were producing. It now seems that we are regressing to Victorian times where most bosses thought of their workers as a necessary evil to be paid as little as possible and worked as hard as possible.

Yes, there were a few, mainly Quaker families like the Cadburys, who looked after their workers but they were few are far between. There were also a few great benefactors like Carnegie, who built libraries throughout the country but we don't see so much of that now. The Gates have their foundation but that money is spent on furthering the interests of US corporations by encouraging industrial agriculture in poor nations. There is also a tax advantage in financing a "charitable" foundation.

[emordnilap]

And now...AI news anchors. It certainly won't stop there.

[stumuz1]

I would venture that REACH is the major global driver for assessing the toxicology of chemicals (happy for stumuz to automatically disagree)

This is more like it! You are venturing an opinion and not pasting what some lobbyist bloke has written. Progress

I would venture that REACH is NOT the major global driver for assessing the toxicology of chemicals because:

USA, the worlds largest consumer market do not use REACH
China , the worlds second largest consumer market does not use REACH
<INSERT COUNTRY> of most countries outside the EU do not use REACH

I could go on, but the quantum of Toxicity of substances in products is derived from International law at UN level.

Don't make me laugh......
You're saying that the UN and International Law is the driver - you'll have to provide some/any evidence here.......

Some light reading for you sweetie.

Straight from the UN

https://www.unece.org/fileadmin/DAM/tra ... _Rev7e.pdf

Chapter 3.1 Toxicity.