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No, the EU accounts have never been signed off. There is no way they could be submitted because, if they were, the level of corruption revealed would bring the EU down all by itself
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stumuz1 wrote:
Mark wrote: REACH is a good thing - we should all want chemicals to be Registered, Evaluated and Authorised. The outcome is a more comprehensive Safety Data Sheet for end users, where as before, producers could just use phrases like 'data not available'..
Completely agree, UK REACH will do the same.
I admire your optimism :)
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RenewableCandy wrote:
stumuz1 wrote:
Mark wrote: REACH is a good thing - we should all want chemicals to be Registered, Evaluated and Authorised. The outcome is a more comprehensive Safety Data Sheet for end users, where as before, producers could just use phrases like 'data not available'..
Completely agree, UK REACH will do the same.
I admire your optimism :)
Thank you :)

Considering that we already comply with REACH and it will be cut and paste into UK law at 11pm on the 29th of March, it's easy to be optimistic!
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stumuz1 wrote:Considering that we already comply with REACH and it will be cut and paste into UK law at 11pm on the 29th of March, it's easy to be optimistic!
From DEFRA.........

UK REACH additional guidance if there is no Brexit deal
We have now agreed in principle the terms of the UK’s smooth and orderly exit from the EU, as set out in the Withdrawal Agreement. We have also agreed the broad terms of our future relationship as set out in the outline Political Declaration. But nothing is agreed until everything is agreed - and as such it is the duty of a responsible government to continue to prepare for all scenarios, including the possibility of a no-deal.
This guidance expands on, and should be read in conjunction with, the guidance document (“Technical Notice�) published on 24th September 2018, to help businesses prepare for the possibility of no deal.
In the event of no deal, the EU REACH1 Regulation will be brought into UK law by the European Union (Withdrawal) Act 2018. The Act replicates REACH in the UK whilst making the changes necessary to make it work outside of the EU. We will therefore retain the key principles of the EU REACH Regulation, including its fundamental principle of ‘no data, no market’, and its provision for Only Representatives (ORs). In this note, the EU REACH Regulation, as amended, is referred to as the UK REACH Regulation, and the regulatory system it creates is referred to as UK REACH.
As the UK Statutory Instrument is not yet available, references in this guidance will be to the EU REACH article numbers.
Implications for business
The role you currently undertake within EU REACH may change, in some cases significantly. It is therefore important that you undertake a review of your role(s) within the EU and UK REACH regimes. To maintain or gain access to the EU/EEA and the UK markets, there may be a number of actions you will need to take if there is no deal with the EU. For example:
For existing EU REACH registration holders
In order to continue exporting substances or mixtures to the EU/EEA market, UK-based entities currently holding EU REACH registrations would need to transfer their registrations to an EU/EEA-based entity, or support their EU/EEA-based importers to become registrants. Further details are available on the ECHA website.
ï‚· Entities currently holding EU REACH registrations would also need a valid UK REACH registration to maintain access to the UK market.
For downstream users
UK downstream users (who do not hold an EU REACH registration) currently purchasing chemicals from an EU/EEA country would need to ensure the substances they purchase are covered by a valid UK REACH registration held by an actor within their supply chain. If purchasing over 1 tonne per year, they could either:
o encourage the EU/EEA supplier to appoint a UK-based OR;
o become the importer and take on the duty to register chemicals for the UK market; or
o change source to a UK registered supplier.
ï‚· UK downstream users using a substance subject to an EU REACH authorisation would need to provide information to the UK Agency (the HSE) to continue to benefit from the authorisation.
In a no-deal scenario, the UK and the EU regulatory agencies would operate independently from each other. If companies are supplying and purchasing substances, mixtures or articles to and from the EU/EEA and the UK, they will need to ensure that the substances, or substances within a mixture/article, are registered with both agencies (ECHA and the UK Agency, i.e. the HSE) separately, by an actor within their own supply chain, in order to maintain or gain access to both markets.
The following guidance sets out a number of actions that your company would need to investigate so that you can prepare for a ‘no-deal’ scenario. For the UK market, there will be a phased approach designed to minimise disruption and ensure continuity. Some of the proposed timeframes will be kept under review.
Scenario 1: You are a UK-based EU REACH registration holder wishing to maintain UK market access
Your registration(s) will be legally recognised in the UK REACH system at the point that the UK leaves the EU. This recognition is called ‘grandfathering’.
ï‚· This will provide continued access to the UK market after the UK leaves the EU.
ï‚· You will then need to confirm your existing registration and provide supporting information to the UK Agency (the HSE). You will need to:
1. Open an account on the new UK REACH IT system, which will be launched by the point that the UK leaves the EU.
2. Provide some basic information on your existing registration within 60 days of the UK leaving the EU. Full details of the information required can be found in Appendices A and B.
3. Provide the technical information required under UK REACH for your tonnage band within 2 years of the UK leaving the EU. The information requirements for UK REACH will remain the same as they currently are for EU REACH. This timescale will be kept under review. Full details can also be found in Appendices A and B.
ï‚· Grandfathering will apply to all registrations (including intermediates) held by UK-based entities, including importers and UK-based Only Representatives (ORs), and to sole, lead or joint registrants.
ï‚· Grandfathering will apply to all registrations that exist at the time of exit, and all registrations held by UK entities at any point within the two years prior to 29th March 2019. This means that if a UK registration was transferred to an EU/EEA-based entity in the run-up to the UK leaving the EU, it will still be carried over into the UK system.
ï‚· Any ECHA decisions relevant to the registration will remain valid.
ï‚· Grandfathering will not incur any fees from the UK Agency (the HSE) for registrants: it will happen at the point that the UK leaves the EU, providing unbroken legal validity.
ï‚· Your UK REACH registration number will be issued upon submission of the initial information required within 60 days of the UK leaving the EU.
ï‚· Access to the technical information used for the ECHA registration may require renegotiating commercial contracts/letters of access which were originally put in place for EU REACH under a Substance Information Exchange Forum (SIEF). You may wish to instigate contact with SIEF members as part of your contingency planning; this may help provide an early indication of the terms that would be attached to renegotiating access to the data for UK REACH purposes.
ï‚· You may wish to contact the other UK registrants in your SIEF to prepare a joint UK REACH registration.
Scenario 2: You are a UK-based downstream user or a distributor of an EU REACH registered chemical and wish to maintain UK market access
If the UK leaves the EU without a deal, EU/EEA countries will be in the same situation as non-EEA countries for the purposes of the UK REACH Regulation. This means that companies procuring substances and mixtures from EU/EEA suppliers either directly or in articles would become importers under UK REACH. These companies will then have an obligation to hold a UK registration as importers. However, in order to ensure continued access to the UK market and to maintain supply chains, we propose to implement a ‘notification’ system before full registration obligations are applied.
 If you are a downstream user or distributor of EU/EEA-imported substances, you will need to complete a ‘notification’ by:
1. Opening an account on the new UK REACH IT system.
2. Providing some information within 180 days of the UK leaving the EU. Full details of the information required can be found in Appendix C.
ï‚· Notification will not incur any fee from the UK Agency (the HSE).
ï‚· The notification does not tie you to your existing EU/EEA supply chain: you may switch suppliers temporarily or permanently, and inform the UK Agency (the HSE) of any relevant changes.
ï‚· You will need to register the substances with the UK Agency (the HSE) by providing the technical dossier appropriate to your tonnage to support your registration within two years of the UK leaving the EU, if you wish to continue importing these chemicals. This timescale will be kept under review. These will be classed as new registrations and will therefore be subject to fees payable to the Agency (the HSE).
 EU/EEA manufacturers exporting to the UK may choose to appoint a UK-based OR to take on UK REACH obligations. This would be classed as a new substance registration: full registration duties (e.g. full data package submitted on registration) would apply, and the appropriate registration fee would be charged (see ‘new registrations’ later in this document). If the EU/EEA manufacturer’s UK-based OR registers within 2 years of the UK leaving the EU, UK importers from the EU/EEA would regain the status of downstream user within UK REACH, and would therefore not need to become registrants themselves. If the OR completes their registration within 180 days of the UK leaving the EU, this would relieve their UK downstream users of the duty to notify the HSE within 180 days. UK downstream users may make use of the notification provision in the first instance, and consider further steps depending on their suppliers’ intentions in relation to the UK market.
Scenario 3: You are a UK importer of chemicals from outside the EU/EEA, or rely on a UK importer for your supply from outside the EU/EEA, and wish to maintain EU/EEA market access
ï‚· If you import substances from a non-EU/EEA country, you cannot appoint an OR under EU REACH (only a manufacturer, formulator or producer of articles can do so). This means that, as a UK-based importer, you will not have the option to transfer your registrations directly to an EU-based OR to continue selling into the EU/EEA. If you wish to continue to sell chemicals to EU/EEA customers in a no-deal scenario, you may do the following:
o Ensure your EU/EEA customers hold a valid EU REACH registration as an importer; or
o Ensure the non-EEA country manufacturer supplying you appoints an OR based in an EU/EEA country.
 If you rely on a UK importer of non-EEA chemicals, you should check your supplier’s contingency plans, to ensure uninterrupted supply.
Scenario 4: You are a UK-based REACH authorisation holder wishing to maintain your use or the supply for a use in the UK
 If you are a UK manufacturer, importer, downstream user or an Only Representative, your existing EU authorisations before the UK leaves the EU will be carried over (‘grandfathered’) into the UK system. This will include the review period and any conditions attached to the authorisation. It will not incur a fee from the Agency (the HSE).
ï‚· If you are a UK holder of authorisations (i.e. where you applied and the European Commission has granted an authorisation decision), you will be required, within 60 days of the UK leaving the EU, to supply the UK Agency (the HSE) with technical information relating to the authorisation to enable the effective management and enforcement of the authorised substance. The required technical information is:
a) the information included in the application for the authorisation;
b) any other information provided to ECHA by the applicant for the authorisation which was material to the formation of ECHA’s opinion; and
c) any information required to be submitted or recorded before the point that the UK leaves the EU under any condition under which the authorisation is granted.
Scenario 5: You are a UK downstream user of a REACH authorisation held by an EU/EEA-based company, wishing to maintain your use or the supply for a use in the UK
If you are a UK downstream user of an EU REACH authorisation held by an EU/EEA company, you will continue to be able to use that substance in accordance with that authorisation after the UK leaves the EU, providing, within 60 days of the UK leaving the EU, that you:
1. Confirm to the UK Agency (the HSE) that you are an existing authorised downstream user under EU law in relation to the substance, and
2. Notify the UK Agency (the HSE) of:
a) the existing EU authorisation;
b) any conditions set out in the existing EU authorisation;
c) the identity of the supplier of the substance.
Substances of Very High Concern and Restrictions
The ECHA candidate list at the point that the UK leaves the EU will be carried into UK law. Annex XIV of the EU REACH Regulation and the substances listed in it will also be retained in the UK REACH Regulation.
ï‚· The restrictions currently listed in Annex XVII to the EU REACH Regulation will be carried over into the UK REACH Regulation.
ï‚· The powers to update the candidate list, Annex XIV and Annex XVII will remain in UK REACH based on the same legal conditions and criteria.
Scenario 6: You are exempt through a PPORD
ï‚· Article 9 exemptions (PPORDs) in EU REACH will be carried over into UK REACH.
ï‚· Current exemptions under EU REACH for substances imported or manufactured for purposes of product(s) and process oriented research and development (PPORDs), where the research and development concerned takes place in the UK, will be grandfathered into UK REACH. If you are a manufacturer, importer or producer, you must, within 60 days of the UK leaving the EU:
1. Notify the Agency of the relevant information required as per Article 9(2) using the UK REACH IT system – no fee is required on compliance with this for a grandfathered PPORD;
2. Notify the UK Agency (the HSE) of the number and notification date assigned by ECHA;
3. Supply the UK Agency (the HSE) with copies of any additional necessary information given to ECHA.
ï‚· Grandfathered PPORDs will be subject to the same conditions imposed by ECHA, and existing validity periods for PPORD exemptions will be maintained e.g. five years from the agreed date with ECHA under Article 9(3) or Article 9(7), and may be extended by up to 10 years.
ï‚· Grandfathered exemptions will expire on the date that the exemption granted under the EU REACH Regulation would have expired unless you request an extension from the UK Agency (the HSE).
Scenario 7: You are awaiting an ECHA or EU Commission decision Registrations
If your registration under the EU REACH Regulation is in progress at the point that the UK leaves the EU, you will need to submit a separate new registration to the UK Agency (the HSE). This will incur the fee applicable to a new registration, payable to the UK Agency (the HSE).
Authorisations
If you are a UK company that has submitted an authorisation application to ECHA but where ECHA has not finalised its opinions under Article 64(5) by the point that the UK leaves the EU, you will need to resubmit your dossier to the UK Agency (the HSE) if you want to continue placing this substance on the market or using it in the UK after the sunset date inscribed in Annex XIV of REACH.
ï‚· The authorisation process will be streamlined where your application is in its final decision stage. An application for an EU authorisation is at the final decision stage if:
(a) ECHA has adopted its final decisions, but
(b) the European Commission has not made a final decision granting or refusing the application.
The Secretary of State for Defra will make a decision on the basis of the opinions ECHA sent to the European Commission. The decision will be taken subject to the consent of the Devolved Administrations where it involves matters of devolved competence.
To take advantage of this, applicants will have to:
(i) notify the Secretary of State of the existence of the application, and
(ii) give the Secretary of State copies of the application, the information included in it, and any other information provided to ECHA by the applicant for the authorisation which was material to the formation of ECHA’s opinion in relation to the application for the authorisation.
(iii) give the Secretary of State copies of the opinions ECHA sent to the applicant.
Where the sunset date has passed, the UK applicant will still be able to manufacture, import, market or use the substance as long as the necessary information is provided to the Secretary of State within 180 days of the UK leaving the EU.
ï‚· Where an application has been made to ECHA by an EU/EEA applicant before the last application date, and ECHA has not given its final opinions the UK-based downstream users will no longer be able to benefit from that authorisation application to continue using the substance after the sunset date. Instead you will have to apply for a UK REACH authorisation. You should contact the UK agency (the HSE) to discuss the best way of achieving compliance.

UK REACH after the UK leaves the EU without a deal
New registrations

If a business wishes to place new chemicals on both the EU/EEA and UK markets, if there’s no deal with the EU, they will have to ensure that they comply with both EU REACH and UK REACH. UK REACH registrations will
require the same IUCLID technical dossier format as EU REACH, for the relevant tonnage bands in the UK market. Non UK-based entities may access the UK market under UK REACH via a UK-based Only Representative, or by relying on their UK customer to register the substance.
ï‚· Registration of new chemicals for the UK market, after the UK leaves the EU without a deal, will be done directly through the UK Agency (the HSE), via the UK REACH IT system. The ECHA Fees regulation will be transposed into UK law so the fees will be similar to those currently charged by ECHA using the average exchange rate for 2017.
ï‚· New registrations will not be phased-in by tonnage bands.
ï‚· As with EU REACH, obligations would depend on tonnage band, and apply by reference to the tonnage manufactured in or imported into the UK. There would be no registration obligations for substances under one tonne.
ï‚· UK REACH will include a similar pre-registration substance inquiry system to EU REACH.
ï‚· Similar provisions on data sharing and test cost sharing will also be reflected in the UK REACH Regulation.
Authorisations
After the UK leaves the EU without a deal, new applications for authorisations for the UK market should be made to the UK Agency (the HSE), and will incur similar administration fees as authorisations currently do under EU REACH. The Agency must obtain and use the advice of the environmental regulators across the UK (which will be coordinated centrally by the Environment Agency) when the application involves environmental issues.
ï‚· The UK REACH authorisation process would include the same provision for inviting information on alternative substances or technologies as in EU REACH.
ï‚· Decisions to grant authorisations would be taken by the Secretary of State, subject to the consent of the Devolved Administrations where they involve matters of devolved competence.
Safety Data Sheets
The format, content and conditions under which Safety Data Sheets are required, as specified in the EU REACH Regulation and the subsequent amendments2, will remain the same. This means that Safety Data Sheets created under EU REACH will be valid under UK REACH.
Restrictions
If there’s no deal with the EU, the UK will make its own decisions on future restrictions.
The UK system would have a similar procedure to introduce new or amended restrictions. The UK Agency (the HSE) will make assessments on any future substances that may meet the requirement for restriction under the UK REACH Regulation; issues taken into account will include (but not be limited to) regulatory developments in the EU. The Agency must obtain and use the advice of environmental regulators across the UK (which will be coordinated centrally by the Environment Agency) when the application involves environmental issues.
ï‚· The Agency will send its opinions to the Secretary of State who will decide whether to amend Annex XVII, subject to the consent of the Devolved Administrations where matters of devolved competence are involved.
PPORD Exemptions
All new PPORD notifications after the UK leaves the EU should be made to the UK Agency (the HSE).
Only Representative provision
The UK REACH Regulation will replicate the EU REACH Regulation’s provision for Only Representatives (ORs). Third country manufacturers, formulators and producers of articles wanting to trade into the UK will be able to appoint a UK-based OR to take on their duties under the UK REACH Regulation. This facility would therefore also be available to EU/EEA countries wanting to access the UK chemicals market.
UK REACH-IT
• An IT system mirroring EU REACH IT is being built for registrations, grandfathering and downstream user notifications to be operable from 29th March 2019.
• The system will replicate the same functionalities as the one used for EU REACH purposes. It will, for example, allow IUCLID to be used so that the same dossiers can be uploaded to UK REACH-IT.

Make your own mind up folks.....!!!!
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Mark,

Could you be very helpful and précis the above cut'n'paste?

Say three sentences no more than a hundred words each?
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stumuz1 wrote:Mark,

Could you be very helpful and précis the above cut'n'paste?

Say three sentences no more than a hundred words each?
You say that we already comply with REACH and it will be cut and paste into UK law at 11pm on the 29th of March, no issue
DEFRA, CIA, CBA, ENDS all say that it's much more complex/costly than that - I agree with DEFRA, CIA, CBA, ENDS.
Maybe you could reference UK chemical companies that agree with your position ?

Similar issues for many other Sectors.
I believe that Hard Brexit will be very bad for the UK economically, at least for the next decade or so anyway.
Simple enough ?
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An interesting article by Yanis Varoufakis in the New Statesman:
Yanis Varoufakis wrote: Britain is teetering on a knife’s edge: about to crash out of, or back into, the European Union. Either outcome would represent a defeat for democracy in the UK and in the EU.

Crashing out would inflict substantial economic hardship on the weakest in Britain. It would boost jingoism and parochialism, drive England further apart from Scotland and Ireland, and expose the UK to the vagaries of a Trump administration eager to divide Europe and to liberate US corporations operating on British soil from all social and environmental constraints.

Crashing back into the EU (for instance, via the revocation of Article 50) would undermine trust in democracy among many in Britain, while on the continent it would strengthen the hold of the EU’s staunchly anti-democratic ruling technocracy. An unintended consequence would be the reinforcement of Europe’s xenophobic “nationalist international�, whose power is proportional to the EU establishment’s capacity to continue business as usual.
I largely agree with the article's analysis but not really with the conclusion, which is basically "The only solution is Corbyn in number 10", since I don't really find Corbyn's political instincts any more attractive than May's.

But I do appreciate the recognition that the main ways out of the impasse (No Deal, May's deal and No Brexit) all leave fundamental cultural and democratic issues unresolved for decades to come.

I agree with Varoufakis that
If Brexit has an upside, it is that it has revealed the need for a “People’s Debate�, not only regarding the UK-EU relationship, but also the festering wounds that the British establishment has kept out of sight: the disenfranchisement of rural England, an archaic electoral system, the UK’s ailing economic model, and the Irish and Scottish questions. Crashing out of, or back into, the EU would negate this opportunity by thwarting such a People’s Debate.
While the EU's technocratic political system is not even as democratic as the Eurovision Song Contest, I don't see the archaic UK parliamentary system as reliably democratic either. This seems to be a view held by many Remainers (see any reddit thread on Brexit) who saw the EU as a sort of bulwark against the more extreme right wing tendencies in UK politics.

If as part of Brexit we moved to a more democratic political system I'd be overjoyed to support it. That would almost certainly be a "price worth paying" to misquote Thatcher, even with No Deal, even with the decade or more of a weakened economy that would follow.

My interest now is in how the country can come together after Brexit to feel like we're pulling in the same direction again. The last thing I'd want is for the nation to degenerate into an American-style polarity where each administration spends its whole term dismantling what the previous administration did.

It reminds me a lot of a boardgame I used to play in the 80s called 'PolEconomy'. It was a great premise - each player won a certain number of votes in an election and could then form parties to see who was 'in power'. That group could then pass laws that changed tax rates on wealth, and could make those laws as targeted or universal as they liked (eg 'wealthy players pay no tax'). Almost immediately the players separated into two groups, with each group basically enriching themselves and ruining the economy for the other players as much as possible. There was nothing in the game to make cooperation or mutual flourishing in any way worthwhile, so of course it never happened.

I fear that modern politics is also heading in this direction, especially without boring and undemocratic EU technocratic constraints. Our English competitive culture is partly to blame, but so is our democratic system of winner-takes-all politics. They feed each other. I know many will disagree but by far my favourite government I've lived under was Cameron's coalition with the Lib Dems. They had real checks and controls over each other's excesses.

So looking beyond Brexit, I'm really starting to think about the questions that underpin people's strong Brexit views. Can we all understand WHY we feel as strongly as we do about this? Do we in fact have something we can agree on for our hopes for the future even though it's actually led us to opposite sides of the Brexit debate? Otherwise we're just going to end up more and more tribal, hating everything the other side does, just because they've done it and not us. To be fair, politics has often been like that, but right now it seems to be reaching an apogee of mutual hostility and disdain.

One my clergy friends who has been a strong Brexiteer for years (even briefly joining UKIP) is arguing something similar:
https://www.facebook.com/Elizaphanian/p ... 9944481307
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"This seems to be a view held by many Remainers (see any reddit thread on Brexit) who saw the EU as a sort of bulwark against the more extreme right wing tendencies in UK politics. "

So if the democratic process gives right wing politics a boost then sod democracy and get the EU to save us from democracy?
Ooo, right wind tendencies - like questioning unlimited immigration or mass murdering your own people like the left are so keen on (Stalin, Mao anyone?)
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boisdevie wrote: So if the democratic process gives right wing politics a boost then sod democracy and get the EU to save us from democracy?
Yes, I think it's fair to say that many people's view on both sides is determined by whether they see the EU as enabling or preventing their preferred political outcomes. It's then either seen as legitimately part of the democratic process, or inherently anti-democratic. I'm not sure there's an objective 'true' position. It's very relative.

I've no doubt that if the EU were imposing fascist policies on the UK then many Remainers would become the most ardent Leavers. And the fascists would be accusing Remainers of being fascist by undermining 'legitimate' EU democracy.

It really matters what you think is democratic and what you think isn't, and perhaps what some people think is democratic is fascist from another perspective. It's probably no surprise that so many dictatorships around the world have had the word 'democratic' in their country name. I'm sure they really felt it was true.
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RevdTess wrote:It really matters what you think is democratic and what you think isn't, and perhaps what some people think is democratic is fascist from another perspective. It's probably no surprise that so many dictatorships around the world have had the word 'democratic' in their country name. I'm sure they really felt it was true.
& don't forget the Democratic Unionist Party, propping up our current regime..... :D
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Well spotted, the dupers come from a particularly squalid supremacist background where gerrymandering was the norm.
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Mark wrote:
stumuz1 wrote:Mark,

Could you be very helpful and précis the above cut'n'paste?

Say three sentences no more than a hundred words each?
You say that we already comply with REACH and it will be cut and paste into UK law at 11pm on the 29th of March, no issue
DEFRA, CIA, CBA, ENDS all say that it's much more complex/costly than that - I agree with DEFRA, CIA, CBA, ENDS.
Maybe you could reference UK chemical companies that agree with your position ?

Similar issues for many other Sectors.
I believe that Hard Brexit will be very bad for the UK economically, at least for the next decade or so anyway.
Simple enough ?
So you cannot précis your cut and paste. I did not think you would, its a long winded piece of legislation and not many lay people understand it.

I'll start with some simple questions which may aid your understanding.

Is REACH enacted law in the UK?

Once you have successfully answered this question we can then move on to some simple examples of REACH in action in the UK.
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stumuz1 wrote:
Mark wrote:
stumuz1 wrote:Mark,

Could you be very helpful and précis the above cut'n'paste?

Say three sentences no more than a hundred words each?
You say that we already comply with REACH and it will be cut and paste into UK law at 11pm on the 29th of March, no issue
DEFRA, CIA, CBA, ENDS all say that it's much more complex/costly than that - I agree with DEFRA, CIA, CBA, ENDS.
Maybe you could reference UK chemical companies that agree with your position ?

Similar issues for many other Sectors.
I believe that Hard Brexit will be very bad for the UK economically, at least for the next decade or so anyway.
Simple enough ?
So you cannot précis your cut and paste. I did not think you would, its a long winded piece of legislation and not many lay people understand it.

I'll start with some simple questions which may aid your understanding.

Is REACH enacted law in the UK?

Once you have successfully answered this question we can then move on to some simple examples of REACH in action in the UK.
You never answer any of my questions, so why should I answer yours ?
I post information/documents from reputable sources - you don't

House of Lords EU EE Committee Report - Brexit chemical regulation:
https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/l ... /21502.htm

I don't want/need to convince you of anything - others can form their own opinions.
I guess we'll both find out the outcome soon enough.....
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So, Yvette Cooper's treacherous amendment that was a thinly veiled attempt to usurp Brexit has failed. Hopefully, she will be deselected or be hammered at the next election.

Meanwhile, an amendment requiring May to renegotiate the Irish backstop means that May will now go to the EU and try to re-open negotiations. However, tusk put out a statement within minute of the vote to state that the negotiations will not be re-opened. As for the veracity of that statement, we shall see.

A full, unambiguous, WTO Brexit draws ever closer. After which point, a sensible free trade deal can and will be struck because the EU knows full well how knackered it will be without one.

Good.
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In my view, the outlook looks better tonight. No delay and the EU can't complain it doesn't know what the UK parliament wants: a slightly modified May deal. Et Tu, Brute? The no deal vote isn't binding, and changes nothing.

It'll turn out fine I think. The EU will agree to some changes that satisfy Parliament. A decent deal for the UK. Otherwise, a bare bones deal.

Unless MPs pass an extension vote before leaving day, but this would also need the EU. But surely this is less likely now?

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