Jihad Watch

Post by **kenneal - lagger** » 13 Dec 2018, 13:16

vtsnowedin wrote:
boisdevie wrote:
I really do hope that one day those politicians that let all this happen - the diversity is wonderful brigade - that they all swing from lampposts.
That goes too far by a mile. We want these fools to be out of office and out of power but to wish them executed by any means is to join the terrorist in their extreme remedies to problems that are at least uncivilized and so fifteenth century.

While I agree with you, VT, there's not much love for politicians in the UK at the moment.

vtsnowedin · Post by **vtsnowedin** » 13 Dec 2018, 13:43

kenneal - lagger wrote:
While I agree with you, VT, there's not much love for politicians in the UK at the moment.

I suppose it could be worse. they could be demanding that they all be Drawn and Quartered. Might be in the old codes there somewhere never repealed.

Post by **adam2** » 13 Dec 2018, 23:11

Terrorist now shot dead by police, various reports state.

boisdevie · Post by **boisdevie** » 15 Dec 2018, 20:37

jonny2mad wrote:one of the reasons we chopped Charles head off was because he had conspired to have the scots invade the uk after he lost the English civil war .

I dont think there would be anything wrong with putting merkel on trial as a traitor or Jackie smith if she told police to not investigate child rape .

The fact that political leaders can get away with being traitors encourages them to be traitorous

Absolutely. If you never have the face the consequences of your decisions then you have no incentive to do the job right.

Post by **adam2** » 17 Dec 2018, 16:34

It is has been announced that another victim of the recent attack has died of their injuries, taking the total death toll to 5

I cant support calls to murder or execute politicians with whom one disagrees, whilst times are still more or less normal and they can be removed by voting.

In case of war or revolution, killing the last lot of leaders might well be justified, but not in peacetime.
As an example, I would have supported the execution of Hitler and his henchmen.

boisdevie · Post by **boisdevie** » 17 Dec 2018, 17:39

"In case of war or revolution, killing the last lot of leaders might well be justified, but not in peacetime. "

well, we might not have declared war but certain bits of islam have certainly declared war on us. When innocent parties are being deliberately murdered I'd say that was not peacetime.

vtsnowedin · Post by **vtsnowedin** » 17 Dec 2018, 17:54

boisdevie wrote:"In case of war or revolution, killing the last lot of leaders might well be justified, but not in peacetime. "

well, we might not have declared war but certain bits of islam have certainly declared war on us. When innocent parties are being deliberately murdered I'd say that was not peacetime.

I'll go by the Vermont State police rule.
If a subject points a gun at you or any other person you shoot him dead NOW!
I can't find this in print anywhere but years of incidents with death resulting make it clear it is their policy.

emordnilap · Post by **emordnilap** » 18 Dec 2018, 09:49

Ah yes. Very Colin Powell.

Post by **kenneal - lagger** » 19 Dec 2018, 13:29

vtsnowedin wrote:
boisdevie wrote:"In case of war or revolution, killing the last lot of leaders might well be justified, but not in peacetime. "

well, we might not have declared war but certain bits of islam have certainly declared war on us. When innocent parties are being deliberately murdered I'd say that was not peacetime.
I'll go by the Vermont State police rule.
If a subject points a gun at you or any other person you shoot him dead NOW!
I can't find this in print anywhere but years of incidents with death resulting make it clear it is their policy.

I would think that that is also British Police policy, if the perpetrator happens across an armed response vehicle that is. Most coppers would just have to duck and run and unfortunately a few over the years haven't been able to do that quickly enough. There aren't too many though but one is more than enough.

vtsnowedin · Post by **vtsnowedin** » 19 Dec 2018, 15:10

kenneal - lagger wrote:
vtsnowedin wrote:
boisdevie wrote:"In case of war or revolution, killing the last lot of leaders might well be justified, but not in peacetime. "

well, we might not have declared war but certain bits of islam have certainly declared war on us. When innocent parties are being deliberately murdered I'd say that was not peacetime.
I'll go by the Vermont State police rule.
If a subject points a gun at you or any other person you shoot him dead NOW!
I can't find this in print anywhere but years of incidents with death resulting make it clear it is their policy.
I would think that that is also British Police policy, if the perpetrator happens across an armed response vehicle that is. Most coppers would just have to duck and run and unfortunately a few over the years haven't been able to do that quickly enough. There aren't too many though but one is more than enough.

It is hard to follow that policy if you yourself are unarmed. The VSP don't have that problem.

Post by **adam2** » 01 Jan 2019, 11:00

3 persons attacked and injured by a knife wielding attacker at a rail station in Manchester, suspect arrested.
Not confirmed to be jihad, but it does look like it. The attacker is said to have shouted Islamic phrases during the attack, and the investigation is being led by anti terrorist police.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-m ... r-46724322

Edited to add that this is now believed to be a terrorist attack, police statement.

woodburner · Post by **woodburner** » 01 Jan 2019, 18:55

I think adequate funding for sufficient numbers of policemen would allow more work to unearth the attackers before they can cause trouble. At the moment government cuts mean the police are over stretched and demoralised.

Someone defending themselves against a knife attack at a railway station, using a gun would probably guarantee deaths of other than the attacker. Also what sort of gun? Most people couldnâ€™t handle a small arm without significant practice.

boisdevie · Post by **boisdevie** » 01 Jan 2019, 20:01

Someone defending themselves against a knife attack at a railway station, using a gun would probably guarantee deaths of other than the attacker. - care to provide evidence to back up that hypothesis?

Also what sort of gun? Most people couldnâ€™t handle a small arm without significant practice. - then let only people who've had significant practice own a firearm. Bit like letting those who have proven they can drive have a driving license.

woodburner · Post by **woodburner** » 01 Jan 2019, 20:56

I proposed the hypothesis. It is now for you to disprove it, if you can. I presume you have sufficient information to do that.

Even the armed police at airports use a gun that would send a bullet through 5 people standing one behind the other before it stopped.

Shame the victims weren't allowed to have guns with which to protect themselves. Which means by the time the police get there it's often so late all they can do is draw a white line around the body and then do some paperwork.

....then let only people whoâ€™ve had sufficient practice own a firearm

Thatâ€™s fine, just send a letter to all potential knife attackers asking them to check their chosen victims at railway stations have a firearms licence and a weapon so they have a fair chance of being able to shoot them.

Do you think that will work?

Little John · Post by **Little John** » 01 Jan 2019, 21:27

Meanwhile, it is becoming ever clearer that the state is unable or unwilling to stop these kind of armed attacks, whilst simultaneously stopping the rest of the population from arming themselves to be able to plausibly defend themselves against such attacks.

Do you think that will work?