Brexit process

Potemkin Villager · Post by **Potemkin Villager** » 22 Jul 2018, 15:11

The border between Canada and the USA is probably even more impressive.

I like the bit that, apparently politely, says "Welcome to Canada - Please strop and report".

. It does not seem to say exactly what might happen if you fail to "strop and report".

When the hard border existed between Donegal and Derry it was well understood exactly what would happen if you failed to strop and report. The border on the other side between Derry and Donegal was a more casual affair.

vtsnowedin · Post by **vtsnowedin** » 22 Jul 2018, 16:23

There are several road crossings on the VT Nh or Maine border with Canada that have no guards or gates just a sign telling you to go directly to the nearest manned crossing and check in. They have cameras and motion detectors sufficient that if you fail to follow the instructions the blue lights will pop up out of your trunk shortly.

Potemkin Villager · Post by **Potemkin Villager** » 22 Jul 2018, 18:48

United Kingdom European Union membership referendum, 2016
Gibraltar
Choice Votes %
Remain a member of the European Union 19,322 95.91%
Leave the European Union 823 4.09%
Registered voters and turnout 24,119 83.64%
Source: Electoral Commission

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news ... 28116.html

fuzzy · Post by **fuzzy** » 23 Jul 2018, 09:10

So what are your suggestions? If the UK population was given a vote on 'keeping Gibraltar or NI in the UK' do you think the majority would be interested in keeping them? It is the politicians gravy train and looking after the interests of old money that keeps them in, not the public. Maybe the brexit team will trade Gibraltar. The UK forces get their live fire training in the ME nowadays.

Potemkin Villager · Post by **Potemkin Villager** » 23 Jul 2018, 13:41

fuzzy wrote:......Maybe the brexit team will trade Gibraltar.......

I wonder how that one would play out? One thing the brexit "team" certainly does not lack is a certain low cunning and ruthlessness.

bigjim · Post by **bigjim** » 26 Jul 2018, 21:21

Little John wrote:No, it will just be a border. Like the "hard" border between, say America and Canada. To any extent it is "harder than that is entirely due to the anti-democratic EU and anti-democratic traitors in this county

You seem to have been infected with the same angriness disease that the InfoWars Trumpettes who use Twitter have. It's really not good for the blood pressure. Please, try to argue with a bit more class and a bit less of the traitor talk that one should not find on a supposedly rational forum like this. Thanks!

As far as I'm concerned it is the UK that is changing the UK-EU relationship and as such the onus lies more heavily on the UK to find a solution.

Potemkin Villager · Post by **Potemkin Villager** » 27 Jul 2018, 07:38

bigjim wrote:
Little John wrote:No, it will just be a border. Like the "hard" border between, say America and Canada. To any extent it is "harder than that is entirely due to the anti-democratic EU and anti-democratic traitors in this county
You seem to have been infected with the same angriness disease that the InfoWars Trumpettes who use Twitter have. It's really not good for the blood pressure. Please, try to argue with a bit more class and a bit less of the traitor talk that one should not find on a supposedly rational forum like this. Thanks!

As far as I'm concerned it is the UK that is changing the UK-EU relationship and as such the onus lies more heavily on the UK to find a solution.

BY LJ's reckoning the Gibraltarians are loathsome anti democratic traitors as well,and should be consigned to the tower. They must be wondering to themselves "If Gib gets handed back to Spain will be welcome back in old Blighty?" I guess the answer might well be no.

As it is they seem to be regarded merely as no more than useful bargaining chip hostages being held to ransom, along with EU nationals living in Britain and Brits living in the EU.

It's all very Game of Thrones and some amusement might be had identifying some of the persona in the Brexit drama with those in Martin's epic.

Little John · Post by **Little John** » 27 Jul 2018, 09:57

What an utter pile of shite you jokers are prepared to come out with in your ongoing quest to pretend you are attempting to do something other than what you really are - which is to ignore democracy because you don't like the result.

To repeat, as I have already stated all of this previously.

1) Regarding the "troubles" - The main thing in the GFA that brought the IRA to the table was (a) the British acceptance of their political arm, Sinn Fein, into the political fold, (b) the promise that the British would no longer try to impose and maintain mainland rule through military force, (c) the people of Northern Ireland would not be stopped, should they choose to hold a referendum to rejoin Ireland at any time and (d) the brute fact of the IRA being largely, though not entirely, militarily beaten by the British over the course of the troubles. There is no logical reason why all of the above should not remain true irrespective of Brexit. And the main extent to which those troubles could re-ignite post-Brexit would be down to the EU and traitorous (to both the British AND the IRISH) Remainers here in the UK trying to stir up trouble as part of their ongoing strategy to stop Brexit. You may also be assured, I do not use the word "traitor" lightly.

2) Regarding the technical issues surrounding the border between NI and Ireland - In terms of freedom of movement of people, this could be relatively straightforwardly solved with something along the lines Irish visa IDs automatically issued from the UK to any Irish citizen who wanted one and vice versa for NI people. All they would need to do would be to present them at the border and they would be waived straight through. So, no different to now in terms of freedom of movement between NI and Irish citizens. In terms of the free movement of goods, this could happen with no significant problems that could not be solved in the same way they are solved in every other damned country on the world. What "problems" exists are those that are being threatened to be put in place by the EU egged on by traitorous Remainers in the UK. Again, I use the word traitorous because to attempt to deliberately make things as technically difficult as possible at the border, in the context of those old troubles, as part of a bargaining tactic feeds back into the underlying threat of re-igniting those troubles. Which, as far as I am concerned, makes anyone employing such tactics the scum of the earth and that such treachery may be wrapped up in nice, polite, bourgeois language or the slimy diplomatic language of the EU changes the fact of that treachery not one bit.

You jokers are playing with fire both here and in Ireland.

stumuz1 · Post by **stumuz1** » 27 Jul 2018, 13:36

For once LJ, i agree with every word of the above post.

I'm taking to the hammock to get over it!

RenewableCandy · Post by **RenewableCandy** » 28 Jul 2018, 18:15

Am a bit surprised to find no comments on the 'adequate food' embroglio on here!

Top of my list would be Jack Monro on Twit (@BootstrapCook) pointing out that many in the UK *already* can't get 'adequate food', plus May saying it won't be HMG who're doing the stockpiling to which the British Retail Consortium pointed out in riposte that since they've all used JIT logistics for the past x decades, stockpiling for them would be impossible.

It also transpired that La May herself has (recently-diagnosed) Type 1 diabetes and the UK imports all of its insulin...

(NB even if *not* from the EU, importing it would be extremely awkward without trade treaties, which show no sign of materialising in time...)

vtsnowedin · Post by **vtsnowedin** » 28 Jul 2018, 19:58

RenewableCandy wrote:......
............ Type 1 diabetes and the UK imports all of its insulin...

It strikes me as being extremely odd that a modern country of some 66 million souls does not have in house manufacturing of of all the commonly and widely needed drugs. I find it surprising that your NHS has not bought the patents where needed and built government owned plants to provide them.

stumuz1 · Post by **stumuz1** » 29 Jul 2018, 10:19

RenewableCandy wrote:Am a bit surprised to find no comments on the 'adequate food' embroglio on here!

Maybe those of us who have been hanging around here for more than a decade Know that our food distribution system is run on JIT principles and in the event of a black swan we would be stuffed and no EU principle will keep us warm and fed.Those of us who know have a pantry with 3 months supply.

RenewableCandy wrote: plus May saying it won't be HMG who're doing the stockpiling to which the British Retail Consortium pointed out in riposte that since they've all used JIT logistics for the past x decades, stockpiling for them would be impossible.

Yeah the BRC! British remain consultants! I saw a rehearsed pair of talking heads on a news channel lately. ' went something like this.

Agitator for a second referendum " we will run out of food when we leave the EU because most of our food is imported"

Spokesman for BRC" well our supply side logistics are heavily reliant on existing transport systems blah blah blah"

What the talking heads never do is to offer one example of anything running out. Take apples. The apples in the supermarket are a mixture of French, South African/American and some British.

If there is a scintilla of a chance that French apples get stuck in Calais, then they will be immediately replaced with apples from outside the EU. If this state of affairs continue then the incentive to grow more domestic apples grows (along with the apples!)

And surely we know the limits to growth, climate change, carbon reduction models all point to the fact that more home produced food can only be a good thing.

RenewableCandy wrote:It also transpired that La May herself has (recently-diagnosed) Type 1 diabetes and the UK imports all of its insulin...

(NB even if *not* from the EU, importing it would be extremely awkward without trade treaties, which show no sign of materialising in time...)

No, if we buy the medicines from outside the EU they would be tariff neutral. Any tariffs we would apply to the imports goes straight to the UK and not the EU coffers when we leave.
Unless you are saying the EU would withhold the medicines for spite to watch people die? If that is the case would you really want to be part of such a club?

Post by **adam2** » 29 Jul 2018, 11:08

I have long held the view that it is sensible to keep a reserve of food, medicines, and other supplies in case of failure of the "just in time" supply chains.

Such failures could be caused by industrial disputes, bad weather, civil unrest, fuel shortage, cyber attack, or by overseas civil wars, coups, or revolts.
I very much doubt that Brexit will result in food shortages, though it is well to be prepared.

And even if the French* authorities try to block food exports to the UK, they will face trouble from the militant French farmers who are reliant on the income from such exports to the UK.

I consider it more likely that food exports FROM the UK into France* will be disrupted, as the French authorities will find such produce to be "unsafe" or "non compliant" in various ways, and by some French trade unionists "blacking" goods from the UK.

*I know that there is more to the EU than France, but France is the nearest bit, and most of our trade with the EU is either with France, or transits to other countries via France.

stumuz1 · Post by **stumuz1** » 29 Jul 2018, 12:59

adam2 wrote:
I consider it more likely that food exports FROM the UK into France* will be disrupted, as the French authorities will find such produce to be "unsafe" or "non compliant" in various ways, and by some French trade unionists "blacking" goods from the UK.

Agreed.

stumuz1 · Post by **stumuz1** » 29 Jul 2018, 13:04

* update on the apples

Just returned from Morrisons. They had 4 varieties on offer.

2 New Zealand
1 Chile
1 South African