Moderator: Peak Moderation
If we say we won't agree anything we are reneging on agreements we have made in the past. That is a sort of nuclear option in terms of international trade which cannot be blandly accepted by the other parties. Hence we should not expect the other parties to co-operate (any non tariff barriers, air flights etc).UndercoverElephant wrote:Why?
So, you are equating the wish of a people for their country to be under sovereign control with a nuclear exchange?clv101 wrote:The point is that talk of walking away without a deal is pretending, I know it, Brussels know it, and you should you know it.UndercoverElephant wrote:We have to actually be prepared to do it. The moment the EU understands that we are prepared to do so, they will start negotiating seriously.
You might as well say we seriously threaten to nuke Brussels if we don't get a good deal. We have to actually be prepared to do it. The moment the EU understands that we are prepared to do so, they will start negotiating seriously.
It's a nonsense. If you can't see that there's not much further our discussion on this can go!
Well, you could actually try answering the question I have asked you several times. This discussion has gone as follows:clv101 wrote:The point is that talk of walking away without a deal is pretending, I know it, Brussels know it, and you should you know it.UndercoverElephant wrote:We have to actually be prepared to do it. The moment the EU understands that we are prepared to do so, they will start negotiating seriously.
You might as well say we seriously threaten to nuke Brussels if we don't get a good deal. We have to actually be prepared to do it. The moment the EU understands that we are prepared to do so, they will start negotiating seriously.
It's a nonsense. If you can't see that there's not much further our discussion on this can go!
Mr Verhofstadt can stick that right up his arse.clv101 wrote:A significant tweet: Guy Verhofstadt�Verified account @guyverhofstadt
Remarks by David Davis that Phase one deal last week not binding were unhelpful & undermines trust. EP text will now reflect this & insist agreement translated into legal text ASAP #Brexit
Breathtaking arrogance. "We will be more strict now!" is the language that a teacher or parent uses towards a child. It assumes a position of outright authority and dominance towards the entity it is directed at. The EU is going to be more stict with us, finger wagging furiously.“As someone said, it’s an own goal,� Verhofstadt said. “It is clear that the European council will be more strict now.
So now there are claims that the UK doesn't get to decide whether the agreement it just made is legally binding or not, and that the Court of Justice of the EU will make that decision!European Court and not London will decide if Brexit deal binding
Court likely to decide UK is locked into regulatory alignment even without deal
Ministers there seem to think that the magic phrase “nothing is agreed until everything is agreed� overrides the rest of last Friday’s agreement with the European Union. But London cannot dictate the meaning of the deal which has allowed Brexit negotiations proceed to the next step.
It does not matter what the UK government thinks the agreement means - what matters is what the Court of Justice of the European Union (CJEU) says it means. This agreement is being reached under article 50 and so will fall within the court’s jurisdiction.
Watch it all unravel!Now that the European Union is poised to greenlight moving on to the second phase of Brexit talks, the United Kingdom seems to think it has beaten the clock and is on track to avoid a cliff-edge scenario.
That might be the case. But it’s too soon for London to celebrate. The British government is assuming it will be granted a transitional period, during which the U.K. will enjoy continued access to the European single market.
There’s no guarantee that will happen. The transition period will rely on the approval of the European Parliament.
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EU countries have toughened their stance on Brexit, making clear that talks on a future EU-UK relationship will not begin until March and insisting Britain will stay fully covered by EU rules during a transition — while losing its voice within regulatory agencies — after it leaves the bloc in 2019.
Senior national officials have changed draft guidelines on the next phase of talks so that they no longer suggest that “preliminary and preparatory� discussions on trade can begin early next year.
Theresa May’s government has promised an ambitious and far-reaching trade deal as the final goal of the Brexit talks, although the EU says a formal accord will have to wait until the UK leaves the bloc and that only a more general “political declaration� will be possible beforehand.
The new version of the guidelines seen by the Financial Times, which alters a text issued by European Council president Donald Tusk after Mrs May held successful divorce talks in Brussels last week, make clear that EU countries oppose a quick start to such trade negotiations.
Diplomats said member states were irritated by comments over the weekend by David Davis...
