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Long but intriguing article about plastic food

Fake meats and meat lookalikes should have no place in a (any) diet as they're unnecessary, hypocritical and so processed as to be possibly as damaging and/or lethal as meat itself.

But the power of money usurps all, as usual.
The people and corporations behind vat-etarian foods are largely those who have no experience of farming or interest in food as anything other than a commodity and a marketplace.
The description of the US system for evaluating food safety is salutary for all wishing to ditch so-called 'EU red tape'.
The Impossible Burger is already on sale in selected outlets across the US. Backed by $257 million in venture capital funding from Khosla Ventures and Bill Gates amongst others, manufacturers Impossible Foods, have pushed it onto the marketplace on the basis of a self-affirmed GRAS (Generally Recognised as Safe) status. Its panel of paid experts determined that the SLH proteins were structurally similar to natural ones and therefore safe.
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Generally recognised as safe eh? This was a claim made by the manufacturers of "Splenda" a no-calorie sweetener. Read all abaaat it!

Also something coming up is a series of GMO videos See more
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woodburner wrote:Generally recognised as safe eh?
By the people wanting to sell it, yes. Why, what do people expect? :lol:
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emordnilap wrote:Monsanto-funded papers conclude glyphosate not carcinogenic or genotoxic
As stated in the declarations of interest at the foot of each paper, all are funded by Monsanto via the industry consultancy firm Intertek. Many of the authors have links to Monsanto, other chemical companies, and industry consultancy firms.

An accompanying comment piece by the journal�s editor explains that the Monsanto-funded papers are designed to counter the World Health Organisation cancer agency IARC�s evaluation of glyphosate as a probable human carcinogen and as genotoxic (damaging to DNA). The IARC�s conclusions were, according to the editor, �a surprise to many scientists who had followed the literature on the potential health hazards of glyphosate over many decades�.
However, a series of videos poses a different view. The way glyphosate works is to stop plants forming amino acids, and without them the plant dies. Episode 2 is available for the next few hours, and Episode 1 is available on youtube.
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What is needed is a panel of independent 'experts' who get together to announce that Monsanto routinely tells lies and glyphosate is harmful and that, when it rains, things in the rain get wet.

Then we can ignore the whole issue and carry on as before.
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That may depend on what you were doing before. It might be an idea to change.
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There's loads more here at The Organic Consumers Association (of America) on the court action against Monsanto by Roundup users who have contracted cancer after using Roundup.

It also documents the joint cover up between Monsanto and the US EPA of the deleterious effects on glyphosate.
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Oh dear k-l. "Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry (ATSDR), a federal public health agency" - no doubt a candidate for Trump's list of things that do not merit funding, what he calls "controversial or unnecessary programs".
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Trump won't matter in this instance. A class action seems more likely, and those have been known to devastate companies. Monsanto maybe doing a self inflicted job anyway, as it seems moves are afoot to shift some of their business to a German company. Watch episode 2 for this info.
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The EU have stopped the Bayer/Monsanto merger for the time being and launched an inquiry into whether it should be allowed or not. Groups like 38 Degrees and Sum Of Us are pushing for it to be stopped completely. They've won the first round but must now keep the pressure on the EU to stop it.

The willingness of Monsanto to enter into this agreement suggests to me anyway that they are worried about their future.
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They certainly are. Apparently the likelihood of further growth is small, and they are looking to get going while the going's good. There is a possible backlash coming in the US with consumers rejecting GM crops now the hazards are becoming more widely known.
A class action a while back failed, then the judge was found to have previously been an attorney for Monsanto.
They have tentacles everywhere, I'm surprised the trolls haven't turned up on PS.
Anyone who eats other than organic bread should understand the wheat has probably been sprayed with glyphosate shortly before harvest to kill it in order to make harvesting easier.
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I had posted on Facebook about the court action and got trolled by two or three people after only a couple of days. It was a few days before I realised that something was up and it was Facebook which actually marked one of the posters as spam before I checked who they were. They weren't in any way connected to me or any of my friends so it made me wonder where they had come from so I blocked them. I was amazed that they bother to go to all that trouble to have a go at someone in another country. The one whose posts were marked as spam was from Australia.
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kenneal - lagger wrote:The one whose posts were marked as spam was from Australia.
Not me but Roundup is very popular here.
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woodburner wrote: Anyone who eats other than organic bread should understand the wheat has probably been sprayed with glyphosate shortly before harvest to kill it in order to make harvesting easier.
From what a bit of research has shown me this is to be considered fake news. While it is sometimes done to save a crop that would otherwise rot in a field most of the wheat growing areas have dry enough weather around harvest time to make spraying the fields an unnecessary expense.
Fields that are sprayed have to sit several days before harvest so that no detectable residue remains on the seed berries.
What is true is that a lot fields are sprayed with roundup around planting time to achieve a weed free stand so that no weed seeds and plant parts get mixed in with the grain at harvest time which degrades the product and reduces the price the farmer gets for it at time of sale.
At any rate the claim that "MOST" wheat is sprayed just prior to harvest is false.
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vtsnowedin wrote:
woodburner wrote: Anyone who eats other than organic bread should understand the wheat has probably been sprayed with glyphosate shortly before harvest to kill it in order to make harvesting easier.
From what a bit of research has shown me this is to be considered fake news. While it is sometimes done to save a crop that would otherwise rot in a field most of the wheat growing areas have dry enough weather around harvest time to make spraying the fields an unnecessary expense.
Fields that are sprayed have to sit several days before harvest so that no detectable residue remains on the seed berries.
What is true is that a lot fields are sprayed with roundup around planting time to achieve a weed free stand so that no weed seeds and plant parts get mixed in with the grain at harvest time which degrades the product and reduces the price the farmer gets for it at time of sale.
At any rate the claim that "MOST" wheat is sprayed just prior to harvest is false.
That may be true in the US but the weather in the UK is a lot different and there is a lot of "dessication" carried out in the UK to even out the moisture content of grain in a field.

Judging by the emerging reports of glyphosate residues in food, a couple of days between spraying and harvest might not be enough. In the UK that could be your dry weather window gone!
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