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Good. Stop eating bread and eat pasture fed animals. It will leave many with insufficient food, but then many get far too much, albeit of the wrong kind. The relief effort in East Africa typifies the stupidity and ignorance of the west. Relief supplies were flour, rice, sugar and cooking oil. No wonder people are malnourished. Relying on wheat will reach a tipping point one day.
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That type of relief is sent in part because of its energy density; small, easily storable and transportable amounts of food can be got to a place relatively quickly and stop people actually starving. Long term it might not be good for them but it stops them dying in the short term.
Sending the proper diet of balanced protein, fats and vegetables is too bulky to airfreight and cannot be easily stored for the long periods between famines.
Sending the proper diet of balanced protein, fats and vegetables is too bulky to airfreight and cannot be easily stored for the long periods between famines.
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I have had a very cool and rainy summer here in Vermont to the point that I totally gave up on the gardens. The apples and black berries on the other hand are as loaded as I have ever seen them. There are wild apples on every bush and tree( some that I didn't even realize were apple) to the point that limbs will break down from the weight before they are ripe.
Too much of a good thing but I do feel guilty putting a scrubby tree into a brush pile when it is loaded with small apples.
Too much of a good thing but I do feel guilty putting a scrubby tree into a brush pile when it is loaded with small apples.
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Quick fix, vt:
Make juice and freeze it or even chop and freeze the apples to make juice later. A serious juicer will cope with frozen apples.
Make juice and freeze it or even chop and freeze the apples to make juice later. A serious juicer will cope with frozen apples.
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Oh there will be plenty to make cider with. I'm talking about perhaps a hundred trees with a couple of bushels of apples average on each one. Most will just end up as deer and turkey food as I don't need them.emordnilap wrote:Quick fix, vt:
Make juice and freeze it or even chop and freeze the apples to make juice later. A serious juicer will cope with frozen apples.
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Same here.Potemkin Villager wrote:Autumn does seem to have arrived early this year. All the apple trees are loaded and the apples developed about a month ahead of normal.
We also have just-about-ready-to-pick peaches in the pt.
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This beautiful morning I went out and grabbed a load of apples that had fallen and juiced them - it made better juice than anything I've ever bought in a bottle, it was like a meal.
The glorious weather (now kids are going back to school of course), combined with the apple juice, made me glad to be alive.
The glorious weather (now kids are going back to school of course), combined with the apple juice, made me glad to be alive.
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Local growers speak of an excellent apple crop.
Wheat did well if harvested rather early, those farmers who waited a bit for it to mature or dry in the field have suffered either from the energy cost of drying the crop, or even worse it being lost entirely.
The only local farmer whom I know well, raises beef cattle and seemed optimistic that the good grass growth will allow the animals to graze for much of the winter.
Another neighbour is a farm contractor, that is his main business is ploughing, sowing, fertilising, harvesting, and other tasks on other peoples land.
He has millions of pounds invested in plant and equipment and seemed optimistic when we met recently. Mobile grain dryers have been in great demand, he owns several.
Wheat did well if harvested rather early, those farmers who waited a bit for it to mature or dry in the field have suffered either from the energy cost of drying the crop, or even worse it being lost entirely.
The only local farmer whom I know well, raises beef cattle and seemed optimistic that the good grass growth will allow the animals to graze for much of the winter.
Another neighbour is a farm contractor, that is his main business is ploughing, sowing, fertilising, harvesting, and other tasks on other peoples land.
He has millions of pounds invested in plant and equipment and seemed optimistic when we met recently. Mobile grain dryers have been in great demand, he owns several.
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